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July 26, 1977
The Albemarle County Planning Commission conducted a meeting on Tuesday,
July 26, 1977, 7:30 p.m., Board Room, County Office Building, Charlottesville,
Virginia. Those in attendance were David W. Carr, Chairman; Peter Easter, Vice -
Chairman; Paul Peatross; Kurt Gloeckner; Roy Barksdale; Dr. James Moore; Mrs. Joan
Graves; Leslie Jones; Col. William Washington. Others in attendance were Mrs. Mary
Joy Scala, Senior Planner; Mr. Carlos Montenegro, Planner; Mr. Ronald Keeler, Assistant
Director of Planning; and Mr. Frederick W. Payne, Deputy County Attorney.
order.
Mr. Carr established that a quorum was present and called the meeting to
Minutes of June 14, 1977, were approved as submitted by the chairman.
ZMA-77-15. Frank Kessler and Joe Wright, III, have petitioned the
Board of Supervisors to rezone 14.403 acres from R-2 to RPN/R-1. Property
is located at the end of Wilder Drive, bounded on the north by Meadow
Creek. County Tax Map 61, Parcels 198, 199, 200, and 201. Charlottesville
and Rivanna Magisterial Districts.
The chairman was informed by the staff that this would not be heard that
evening due to lack of proper notice to all adjoining property owners living in
the City of Charlottesville. Mr. Barksdale moved that the request be deferred
until August 2, 1977. This motion, seconded by Mr. Gloeckner, carried unanimously.
Mr. Carr reminded the members of the Commission that no meetings would be
held on the 9th and 16th of August.
Pantops-Worrell Site Plan:
Mr. Montenegro stated that this had been deferred in order that the staff
could see if the 14 foot existing road could be extended to at least a 16 foot road,
and preferably a 20 foot road. He reviewed the staff report for the Commission.
He noted that in staff opinion, the 20 foot width was possible without disturbing the
existing row of trees along the road. There is a minor problem with the electronic
gate. He stated that the five conditions recommended by the staff at the previous
meeting still apply.
Mrs. Graves wanted to discuss the lighting. Mr. Montenegro said that he
had tried to contact the sheriff, but had been unable to do so. He did note there
is a security gate, and the office is removed from Route 250 West.
Mrs. Graves reminded the Commission that the applicant's representative
had stated that some lighting would be desirable.
Mr. Evans, representing the applicant, stated that the road in question
serves the main house; this office annex is for 6 employees, only three of which
are new ones.
( Col. Washington entered the meeting. )
Mr. Evans stated that the trees along that route are mature and that an
extension of the road would cut into the root system. He felt the road should not
therefore be widened past 16 feet. He suggested wide grass shoulders for pull -offs.
He noted that there is a service dirve for trucks. He stated that the purpose is
to retain the residential character.
Mr. Carr asked for comments on the lighting. Mr. Evans stated that this
will be off the eaves of the new house and uplighting of the trees.
Mr. Jones asked if the road will handle any future expansion.
Mr. Evans stated that no further expansion is planned at this time. However
if that takes place at a later date, the service road could serve the expansion.
Mr. Barksdale suggested adding one foot of gravel on each side of the road
to achieve the 16 feet. Mr. Evans stated that he does not object to that; he further
pointed out that two cars can pass on the road as it now exists.
Col. Washington stated that in bad weather the road should be 16 feet.
Mr. Jones suggested adding a condition addressing future expansion.
Mr. Carr said in his opinion, just to meet a regulation, it is ridiculous
to extend the road to 20 feet. He said he does not feel 20 feet is practical. He
asked the Commission to maked an evaluation here.
Mr. Easter said that he agreed with the chairman.
Mr. Peatross said that to make an exception, the Commission should have a good
reason. He said that 16 feet might be agreeable. He asked they discuss limiting the
number of employees to 6.
Mr. Barksdale said that if the road remains as it is, or if it is only 16 feet,
the applicant is creating his own problems. He said that he could not support limiting
the number of employees.
Mr. Easter moved approval of the request subject to the following conditions:
1. Written Health Department approval;
2. County Engineering Department approval of driveway pavement specifications;
3. Access road to be 14 feet with one foot of tar and gravel on either side;
4. Virginia Department of Highways and Transportation approval of entrance
facilities at Route 250 East;
5. Landscape items are to be replaced if they should die;
6. Removal of notation regarding no outside lighting, noting that ground lighting
will be provided for trees and other items.
Mr. Barksdale seconded the motion.
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Discussion:
Col. Washington said that he would like for the road to be a proper road,
sixteen feet in width. He said that he would also liked the two boxwoods moved
by the end of September.
Mr. Easter did not wish to amend his motion, stating that if there are problems
the owner will have to remedy the situation.
Col. Washington stated that he wished to offer a substitute motion of
approval subject to conditions 1, 2, 4, 5, and 6, as recommended by Mr. Easter,
and condition #3 to read as follows:
3. Access road must have a 16-foot paved width all the way to Route 250 East.
Mr. Gloeckner seconded this motion.
Discussion:
Mrs. Graves asked the width of the other road. Mr. Evans replied that it is
20 feet in width.
Mrs. Graves then suggested that a condition be added regarding the number of
employees who can use the service drive.
Mr. Barksdale stated that would be a condition requiring enforcement.
The motion carried by a vote of 7-2, with Messrs. Jones and Peatross dissenting.
John Rhodes final plat:
Mrs. Scala located the property on the west side of Route 631 ( Old Lynchburg
Road ) south of Route 708. Property is zoned A-1. The proposal is a re -approval on a
plat signed on September 23, 1976, which was not recorded within the required six
months. A division of two 2-acre parcels served by 30 easement ( an old county road )
with a residue approximately 115 acres in size is the request. The staff noted
that since this plat was approved, the Highway Department has begun requiring
commercial entrances for roads serving three or more properties. In this case they
are requiring improvement of sight distance to the south which the applicant has
accomplished by curring vegetation. The staff recommended approval with no conditions.
Mr. Gloeckner moved approval of the plat. The motion, seconded by Mr. Jones,
carried unanimously.
Mountain Hollow Final Plat - Lot 16:
Mrs. Scala stated that this A-1 property is located on the east side of Route 690
near Newtown. The proposal is one 2-acre lot served by individual well and septic system.
She presented the history of the property to the Commission, and noted that the
Health Department has indicated the need for a perc test on this lot.
The staff recommended the following conditions of approval:
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1. Health Department written approval;
2. Joint entrance with future Lot 17 is possible;
3. Original plat needed with proper signatures;
4. Grading permit if determined necessary by the Zoning Administrator;
5. Residue acreage shown;
6. Copy of mater plan submitted to the Planning Department.
There were not comments from the public on this plat.
Mr. Tiffany, applicant, stated that he only has a preliminary master plan,
and showed and discussed this preliminary with the Commission.
Mr. Carr asked him to submit this to the staff in order that the County is
aware of the plans for the property.
Mr. Tiffany stated that there are approximately 400 acres in the entire development
with an average density of one unit per four acres.
Mr. Jones suggested that the staff have an updated master plan which shows
the sale of the 87 acres as discussed by Mr. Tiffany.
Mr. Barksdale moved approval subject to the six conditions recommended by the
staff.
Mr. Easter seconded the motion.
Discussion:
Col. Washington pointed out to the applicant that the land is flat and
condition #4 may not be necessary.
Newtown Final Plat:
Mrs. Scala stated that this RS-1 property is located on the east side of
Route 690 near Newtown. The proposal is six one -acre lots to be served by individual
septic systems and a central well. The central well was approved with conditions
on Noverber 19, 1975, by the Board of Supervisors. The Newtown Preliminary Plat was
approved by the Commission on Decmeber 16, 1975. The staff recommended the following
conditions of approval, noting that Health Department written approval of the individual
septic systems has already been secured:
1. All conditions of central well SP-523 be met;
2. Joint entrances to be located and shown on plat before it is signed;
3. Original plat needed with proper signatures;
4. Grading permit if determined necessary by Zoning Administrator.
Mr. Barksdale moved approval subject to thse four conditions. Mr. Gloeckner
seconded the motion, which carried unanimously.
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Steven Tobias Preliminary Plat:
Mr. Gloeckner said that he wished to state for the record that he did not
have a conflict of interests in this matter, since this preliminary is sketched over
an existing plat that he had done for someone else last year.
Mrs. Scala stated that the applicant prepared the preliminary sketch.
She presented the staff report, noting that the property is located on the north
side of Route 610 near state maintenance ( east side of Route 20 North ). The
proposal is a division of two 8-acre parcels, leaving approximately 91.8 acres in
residue. New parcels are to be served by an existing 50' easement and proposed 30'
access easement. The existing entrances is presently located on the adjance property
and will be relocated on the applicnat's property. Staff recommended approval subject
to the following conditions:
1. Virginia Department of Highways approval;
2. Health Department approval;
3. Joint maintenance agreement;
4. Dedication of 25 feet from the centerline of Route 610 along the frontage;
5. Note on final plat: "No further division of this property without Planning
Commission approval."
There were no comments from the public.
Mr. Tobias stated that the land is basically farmland and he is giving a
right-of-way at the bottom and top and dividing the two 8-acre lots.
Mr. Jones moved approval subject to the conditions recommended by the staff.
Col. Washington seconded the motion, which carried unanimously.
Foxwood Final Plat:
Mrs. Scala reported that this property is located on the northeast side of Route
640. The proposal is 46 lots, with an average size of 2.69 acres. Individual wells
and septic systems will serve the lots. There are state roads proposed. Staff
recommended approval subject to the following conditions:
1. Virginia Department of Highways approval, including improvements to Route 640;
2. All conditions of preliminary approval should be met.
Mr. Gloeckner stated that the owner's approval is necessary.
Mr. Easter moved approval of the plat subject to the conditions recommended
by the staff. Mr. Gloeckner seconded this motion, which carried by a vote of 8-1.
Mr. Jones dissented on the basis that the subdivision would be on a gravel road.
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Wilson Cropp, Jr., Preliminary Plat:
Mrs. Scala stated that this A-1 property is located on the south side of
Route 618 near the Fluvanna County line. The proposal is for 15 two -acre lots, one
2.9 acre lot, and one 13.2 acre parcel. Eight joint entrances are shown, and one
single entrance. Individual wells and septic systems are proposed.
The topography is fairly flat, and the area has been timbered and remains in
scrub. A large subdivision of five acre lots has occurred on the north side of Route 618.
The Highway Department is recommending improvement to Route 618 along the frontage,
setting back ditches and providing a proper width shoulder. Lots 9-17 require a waiver
of Section 18-32 of the Subdivision Ordinance which requires side lines to be
approximately perpendicular to the road. Staff feels this can be corrected without
a waiver by adjusting the lines, which the applicant has agreed to. The staff
recommended approval subject to the following conditions:
1. Virginia Department of Highways approval, including improvements to Route 618;
2. Health Department approval;
3. Note on final plat: "No further division without Planning Commission approval";
4. Final plat should show lots 9-17 with side lines approximately perpendicular to the
road.
Mr. Cropp questioned the requirements of the Highway Department, noting if
he met their requirements that one side of the road will be built to one standard,
and the other side to another standard.
Mr. Carr stated that the Highway Department will have to clarify this.
Mr. Cropp stated his unwillingness to comply with Highway Department standards
until he understands them.
Mr. Gloeckner pointed out that this is a preliminary plat, and that the fine
points can be worked out prior to final plat approval.
Mr. Payne agreed that if the Highway Department requires more than the
applicant is willing to comply with, the applicant can argue this point at the
time of final plat review.
Mr. Carr asked that the Highway Department requirements be submitted in writing.
Mr. Peatross moved approval of the plat subject to the conditions recommended
by the staff.
Mr. Barksdale seconded the motion, which carried by a vote of 8-1, with
Mr. Jones dissenting on the basis that the subdivision would be located on a gravel road.
Loftlands final plat:
Mrs. Scala presented the staff report, noting that the property is located
on the south side of Route 660 near Earlsyville. Property is zoned RPN/A-1. The
proposal is for 28 lots, and open space totaling 16.4 acres. The gross density/unit/
2.33-acres. The lots will be served by individual wells and septic systems. State
roads are proposed. The open space is 25.2% of the gross acreage. If the lake
is required as part of this approval, then it will have to be bonded to insure construction.
The staff asked for a clarification of this point. The staff recommended approval
subject to the following conditions:
1. Virginia Department of Highways approval;
2. Conditions of ZMA-14-76 must be met;
3. Waivers granted for outlots of open space and double frontage lots on
Route 660; only access to lots 26 and 27 is to Loftlands Drive.
4. Grading permit.
Mr. Evans, representing the applicant, stated that the lake will be constructed
partly on this tract and partly on the Youell property. The dam, located on the
Youell property, has been approved by the Engineering Department.
Mr. Gloeckner questioned the maintenance of the dam. Mr. Evans replied
if will be the Homeowners' Association. Mr. Youell is a member of that association.
There were no comments from the public.
Mr. Evans told Mr. Jones that the homeowners' assocation maintains the open
space through yearly funds.
Mr. Gloeckner moved approval subject to the conditions recommended by the staff.
Mr. Barksdale seconded the motion, which carried unanimously.
Village Green Site Plan:
Mrs. Scala presented the staff report. The property is located on the south
side of Route 250 West at Ednam Forest. Property is zoned B-1. Mrs. Scala stated
that the staff has received written approvals from the Albemarle County Service
Authority for water and the State Health Department approval for sewage treatment
at the Boar's Head Inn lagoon. Staff has received verbal agreement from the owner of
the adjacent properties to improve the sight distance for cars exiting from Boar's
Head Lane onto Ednam Drive by trimming dogwoods to the north and moving a sign to the
south. Staff recommended approval with the condition that landscaping be replaced if
it should die.
Mr. Easter moved approval subject to the condition recommended by the staff
plus the condition that the staff write a letter to Mr. Rogan requesting that his
verbal agreement be put in writing. He stated that a copy of this letter should be
forwarded to the applicant.
Mr. Barksdale seconded this motion, which carried unanimously.
Crutchfield Site Plan:
Mrs. Scala stated that this M-1 land is located on the east side of Route 606.
The proposal is for a two level office and production space on 8.25 acres. 5,000 square
feet of net office space and 5,000 square feet of net production space is requested.
Individual well and septic system is to serve the property. The 29 parking spaces
required have been provided on the plan. Screening exists. The applicant has a special
permit for warehousing pending on this property. If this site plan is approved, approval
is for office and production space only. No approval of warehousing is intended at this
time.
The staff recommended approval subject to the following conditions:
1. Virginia Depdrtment of Highways approval;
2. Health Department approval;
3. Grading permit.
Mr. Crutchfield explained his plans for the property, along with the
upcoming requests for the property.
staff.
Mr. Barksdale moved approval subject to the conditions recommended by the
Mr. Easter seconded this motion, which carried unanimously, with no discussion.
Peter Hallock Final Plat:
Mrs. Scala presented the staff report, noting that the problem here seems
to be a reoccuring problem with the Health Department. The proposal is for property
located between Route 643 and the South Fork Rivanna River. The proposal is
a division of 7.6 acres into two parcels which front on Route 643. The parcels
will be owned by two separate owners, however, bothwill be used for growing nursery
stock. The applicant is requesting a waiver of Section 18-23 of the Subdivision
Ordinance which requires Health Department approval of a lot for a septic system before
it can be subdivided. There is an existing system on the 3.2-acre parcel which is
suitable for an office but not a residence. The Health Department has stated that
although septic systems could possibly be approved on the lots for a residence, they
areed with the applicant that it was foolish to pursue the question since the applic-
ant did not wish to build a residence. The staff said that the Health Department
issues a general letter of approval for subdivisions of several lots. However, for
1-2 lots they will not give a general approval, they will only give an actual septic
permit. In the past when this situation has occurred, where the applicants did not
intent to build a residence, they have been advised to obtain a septic permit regardless
in order to determine if the lot would be buildable.
Recommended conditions of approval were as follows:
1. Note on the plat: "These lots have not received Health Department approval for
the construction of a residence."
2. Label Route 643 with note regarding dedication.
Mr. Payne suggested that condition #1 be reworded to read: "These lots
are not approved for the construction of residences."
Mrs. Scala stated they would not have come to the Commission if there had
been Health Department approval.
Mr. Easter moved approval subject to the condition as suggested by Mr. Payne
plus condition #2 as recommended by the staff.
Mr. Barksdale seconded the motion, which carried unanimously, with no disucssion.
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Old Business - definition of subdivision;
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Mr. Keeler presented the staff report, and recommended the one amendment
l to remove the existing "sale or exchange" loophole which has been used in the
�irr+ past to circumvent the intent of the ordinance and create 2-acre parcels without
appropriate County approvals.
Mr. Barksdale moved that the Commission withdraw its entire resolution of
intent in regard to the defintion of subdivision and reconsider at a later date.
Mr. Easter seconded this motion, which carried unanimously.
Mr. Payne asked that sometime in the near future the Commission reconsider the
matter of dirt roads and the matter of private roads.
The meeting adjourned at 10:00 p.m., with no further business.
RobIert W. Tucker, Jr. - Secttart'
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