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December 10, 1973
This was a work session of the Albemarle County Planning
Commission held on December 10, 1973 at 7:30 p.m. in the
County Court House, Court Square, Charlottesville, Virginia.
Those present were Dr. Avery Catlin, Chairman; Mr. Clifton
McClure, Vice -Chairman, Mr. Louis Staley, Dr. James Sams, Mr.
Wilbur Tinsley, Mr. Jack Rinehart, Mr. David Carr, Mr. Lloyd
Wood, Supervisors, and Mr. George St. John,County Attorney.
Mr. Easter and Mrs. Craddock were absent.
A brief summary of the flood plain report on the James
River-Mechunk Creek study was presented to the Commission.
Said report being the last of the request by the County
of Albemarle. Mr. Hicks, Chief of Flood Plain Management
Plant District, Corps of Engineers,presented the report.
Mr. Humphrey told the Commission that the County had
requested several additional studies those being the Ivy
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Valley, the Hardware and the Moorman's River.
Mrs. Craddock wanted to know if the Doyle River would
be included in the request.
Mr. Humphrey replied that it had not but he would check
into it.
Mr. Humphrey presented the quidelines for mobile home
permits to the Commission. He suggested that they study these
before they had a discussion on this.
Mr. Humphrey presented Alternative #1 and Alternative #2
as a possible alternative to an amendment to Article 27-6-2
of the proposed Zoning Ordinance or Article 15A-9-2 of the
Existing Zoning Ordinance.
i%w Alternative #1 provided for discontinuance of non -conforming
signs, conformance by time period according to value of sign
and removal of signs in violation.
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Alternative #2 provided that non -conforming signs over
a given size be discontinued within a definite period of time.
It was the consensus of the Commission being undecided
on which alternative to adopt that they take up the matter
at a later meeting so that they could review it more carefully.
Article "27", General Provisions for Signs" was then
reviewed.
Mr. Humphrey told the Commission that the area for free-
standing business signs in the Agricultural and Conservation
Districts was changed from 50 square feet to 30 square feet
and business signs(wall) from 100 square feet to 50 square feet.
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He also stated that home occupation /were provided for in the
Agricultural and Conservation Districts.
He also told the Commission that the ordinances provided
that business signs - free standing - would be allowed 50
square feet in area and wall signs 200 square feet. He said
it was up to the discretion of the Commission whether they
wanted to change this or not.
He noted that they had changed the area for free standing
or projecting signs in the industrial zone from 100 square feet
to a maximum of 70 square feet in area.
Mrs. Craddock noted that in her opinion this sign
ordinance was an improvement over the present one.
The Commission discussed further Alternative #1 and #2
of Article 27-6-2 of the proposed zoning ordinance or Article
15A-9-2 of the existing zoning ordinance.
Mr. St. John County Attorney, said he could see no legal
problem with either #1 or #2 as other localities have done both
of these.
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Mr. Lloyd Wood, Supervisor, stated that he did not
believe the proposed sign ordinance would get very far
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with the citizens as they had a difficult time passing the
present, less restrictive ordinance.
Mr. McClure stated he would lean more toward Alternative
#2 regarding non -conforming signs as signs would be complying
with the Ordinance; even at a faster rate.
A Mrs. Hundley told the Commission that the Environmental
Service of the State Highway Department was working on Inter-
state 95 devising signs stating which businesses were located
off I-95.
After further discussion, the Commission decided to
study Alternative #1 and #2 and asked the Planning dept. to
recommend value of signs and time periods of compliance under
Alternative #1. They also stated they would like to have more
time to review the sign ordinance.
The Commission then presented a draft of guidelines for
a special mobile home permit to the Commission.
The draft allowed for notification of adjacent property
owners without public advertisement.
Dr. Sams commented that possibly the word "prohibit"
referring to "The 100' setback" was too restrictive. He felt
there might be times when it would be advantageous to allow
less than a 100 foot setback.
It was noted that some provision stating the applicant
could apply for a special permit if he did not meet these
requirements was left out and should be included.
err, Dr. Catlin noted that it would eliminate 95% of the mobile
home permits that come before the Commission.
Mr. Carr questioned the fact that bona fide objections
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must come from adjacent property owners only.
It was the consensus of the Commission that some readible
sign should be posted on the property and that applications
should be publically advertised.
Mr. McClure was of the opinion that the permit should be
for a period of 5 years instead of 3.
Mr. St. John suggested that some flexibility should be
put into this.
Mr. Staley was of the opinion that mobile home dwellers
would feel more secure if it were for a time period of 5
years. It was the consensus of the Board to have 5 years
as the limit, with no automatic administrative renewal.
Mr. McClure noted that permits for less than 5 years
could be granted if requested.
The staff was instructed to revise the draft of the mobile
home permit as noted above.
There was a discussion following regarding the procedure
to follow concerning work on the zoning map. Mr. Humphrey
said regarding commercial land, it was a question of reducing
the land to a less intense use or eliminating business zoning
completely. He said the intent was to bring it into conformity.
It was noted that blanket zoning of conservation areas
might be considered.
Mr. Carr was concerned that it was recommended that citizens
not be allowed verbal imput until after some work was done
on the map. Mr. Carr recommended to the Commission that the
staff be asked to put in writing how they propose to accomplish
work on the map.
Mr. St. John stated he thought they better do some work
on the map before they had public input.
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Mr. St. John said unless the zones were utilized
on the map, the new zoning ordinance would be non-benificial.
Dr. Catlin also recommended that the staff draw up
quidelines of how they were going to proceed with work on
the map and how they were going to go about putting new zones
on the map.
There being no further business, the meeting was
adjourned.
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December 20, 1973
This was a regular meeting of the Albemarle County Planning
Commission held on December 20, 1973 at 7:30 p.m. in the Board of
Supervisor's Meeting Room, 3rd Floor, County Office Building,
Charlottesville, Virginia.
Those members present were:Mr. Clifton McClure, Vice -Chairman;
Mr. Wilbur Tinsley, Mrs. Ellen Craddock, Dr. James Sams and Mr. Louis
Staley, and Mr. Lloyd Wood, Supervisor. Mr. Easter, Mr. Rinehart, Mr. Carr,
and Mr. Catlin were absent.
Mr. McClure called the meeting to order and established that
a quorum was present.
Deferred item:
a) Albemarle Green Apts. Site Plan - deferred from August 20, 1973
Miss White told the Commission that it was deferred by the
Commission for several reasons. 1) to visit the site 2) conformation -A..'
of sewer connnections 3) highway department report on road conditions
4) impact studies on surrounding schools
Miss White told the Commission that the plan was to put a new
road in , "Mountainwood Road" which would begin on Route 631 and continue
through to Old Lynchburg Road. Mr. Warner stated that their plan would
be satisfactory with the condition that they extended their right-of-way
from 60' to 70'. Miss White told the Commission that they had two letters
from the City stating that the development could be served as soon
as the Moore's Creek plant was updated. Mr. Bailey, County Engineer,
stated that any approval of this plan should have the condition that
the Moore's Creek plant be updated, which he contemplates being 9 to 12
months.
A copy of the impact study on roads, etc. was given to the Commission,
a copy of which is on file.
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Miss White told the Commission that the staff recommended
approval with the following conditions: 1)It meet highway dept.
err requirements with regard to Mountainwood Road 2) There will no sewer
connections until the Moore's Creek Treatment Plant is updated.
Mr. Huffman told the Commission that the highway plans for
Mountainwood Road had been submitted and approved by the highway
dept.
Miss White told the Commission that there was one other item
which John Humphrey mentioned and which the staff would recommend;
3) /the side of
that being, sidewalks along Mountainwood Road which serves the
development.
Mrs. Craddock said it was her opinion that the County had
(densely populated areas)
adopted the sidewalk policy (urban area) and the developers should be
made aware of it.
It was ascertained that this development would be served by city
,**AW water. It was stated that there would be a 12" line that would be entirely
adequate.
Mrs. Craddock motioned approval of the site plan with the following
conditions: 1. Moore's Creek plant being updated and City water
2. Highway Department approval including a 70' r-o-w
3. Sidewalks along Mountainwood Road adjacent to the develop-
ment
Dr. Sams seconded the motion which carried unanimously.
b)SP-310. W. M. Collins. (deferred) for six additional mobile home
spaces on Route 706 in the Scottsville District.
The Commission was given the written recommendation of the
Planning Staff.
Mrs. Craddock told the Commission that she and Mr. Rinehart had
visited the site and explained what screening was presently at the site.
There was extensive discussion on the screening.
Mr. Tinsley recommended approval of the special permit with
the following conditions:
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1. The two mobile homes which are in violation be made a part
of this request.
2. The mobile home which is located behind the existing row of
mobile homes be relocated at the proposed mobile home site
addition.
3. No removal of trees in front of the proposed area. Screening
and planning be left up to the planning staff.
4. Health Department approval of septic tank and well.
5. The extension of water lines in terms of size and material
be approved by the County Engineer.
Dr. Sams seconded the motion which carried unanimously.
C) Ednam Forest Section 5 - Preliminary Plat - deferred
New Business
a) C. F. M. Corporation - restricted road and easement request
to serve two parcels off Route 781 (Sunset Avenue)
Miss White told the Commission that this request had been deferred
for quite some time because of the Board's moratorium. She stated that
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the request had been originally for a restricted to serve parcels B
and D. It was noted that the request would not serve parcels A and C.
Mr. Huffman noted that the roads could be built to state standards.
After further discussion, Dr. Sams recommended approval of the
request with the road being built to state standards. Mrs. Craddock
seconded the motion, which carried unanimously.
b) Buck's Elbow Farm - Restricted Road request to serve 3 -8 acre
parcels off Route 682.
Miss White showed the Commission a preliminary plan which was
approved April 17, 1972. It was approved in concept for restricted roads.
The Commission noted that there wereother problems to be solved relative
to open space and road maintenance. She stated that they wished to
come in with a request to serve 3 of these parcels. Those being parcels
1, 2,and 3.
Dr. Sams recommended approval to serve parcels 1,2, and 3. Mr.
Tinsley seconded the motion which carried unanimously.
c) Fieldcrest Subdivision - easement request to serve one-2 acre lot.
Miss White told the Commission that this was a subdivision approved
by them in February 1972. She stated that at that time the
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subdivision was to be divided into ten lots. One of the lots was 4 acres.
She stated at this time, he would like to divide the 4-acre parcel into
2 -two acre parcels; parcel 8 and 8A. He would like access easement
across the front parcel to serve the back parcel.
Upon questioning by Mr. McClure, it was ascertained that the topo-
graphy was too steep to have a joint driveway agreement.
Dr. Sams recommended approval of the request subject to: a 25'
r-o-w. Mrs. Craddock seconded the motion which carried unanimously.
d) Cardinal Recycling Center, Inc. - site plan off Market Street Extd.
Mr. McClure stated that he could not participate or vote on this
item and that without him they would not have a quorum. It was the consensus
of the Commission to defer review and action until January 14, 1974
workshop meeting.
e) Hamilton Subdivision - 16 lots zoned A-1 Agricultural. Route 648.
Miss White told the Commission that the road would be built to
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state standards, that perc tests would have to be completed on every lot
before approval, and that no house should be built below the 350' contour
because of flooding of Mechunk Creek.
There was some concern about the traffic on Route 648 and when the
highway dept. would get around to making improvements.
Mr. McClure reminded the commission that this was not a rezoning
and the person had a right to divide the parcels into two -acre tracts
as long as they met the requirements of the zoning ordinance. He stated
that the planning commission was not in the road building or road main-
tenance business. A member of the public asked if they had looked at the
area. It was noted that they could not tell the builder what type of
houses he had to build.
Mrs. Craddock motioned deferral and motioned that a committee be
formed to view the site.
Mr. Tinsley seconded the motion which carried unanimously.
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f) Precision Small Parts, Inc. Site Plan Route 606.
Miss White told the Commission that the only recommendations
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they would make that they have 1) Highway dept. approval (staff has
recommended a de -acceleration lane) 2) final engineering approval
since there were a few drainage problems that were not worked out
at the site plan meeting.
Miss White stated that they were locating on part of a parcel
which was approximately 8 acres. She stated that they were a clean
smoke free operation with no industrial waste output, and they expected
to employ about 50 people and that their primary need for water would
be for the employees' personal use. It was noted that most of their
products would be shipped in small boxes by UPS. She told the
Commission that they would be using a well and septic system.
Mr.Harvey Spangler, adjoining property owner, noted that this
was bordering an approved subdivision and wondered how this land
came to be zoned M-l? He questioned the number of vehicles that were
going to be put on the private road and secondly if you visualize as
you come down the road from the airport and turn into the subdivision
and go up to the A -frames, what kind of situation would you have at
quitting time? He noted that the site view from the north looking
south was very restricted and that there was a considerable amount of
traffic to and from Chris Greene Lake. He noted that at present the
entrance was not safe.
Mr. Spangler said it was his opinion that if they approved this
site plan they were recognizing this 1-acre M-1 lot to be good planning.
Mr. Wood, Supervisor,said that the Board of Supervisors had found
from experience that the area around the airport was not suitable for
residential use (airport, Deerwood subdivision problems, etc.) and
encouraged light industrial uses rather residential uses.
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It was noted that the property was zoned M-1 after the ordinance
was put into effect.
Dr. Sams said he agreed that this was seemingly an ideal facility
for this location however, the parking seemed rather close to the four
rental units. It was stated that the lot was heavily wooded at this
time and they would leave as many trees as possible.
Dr. Sams motioned for approval of the site plan conditioned
upon the following: 1) Some type of screening and buffer zone between
(lots 2 and 3)
the parking lot and the rental units. 2) Highway Dept approval of the
de -acceleration lane 3) final engineering approval because of drainage
problems. Mr. Wood suggested that the condition of 4) no glaring lights
which would be problem to the airport at night,be a part of the approval.
This was agreeable with Dr. Sams. Mr. Tinsley seconded the motion which
carried unanimously.
g) Carlton Subdivision - 21 lots zoned A-1 Agricultural. Route 663.
Miss White told the Commission that this came before them a year
ago for RS-1 zoning which was denied. She stated that the roads would be
built to state standards and that two temporary debris basins should be
constructed at the head of each of the two streams which ultimately
drain into Chris Greene Lake (they will be there during the construction
of the roads). She stated that they recommende d that lots 2 and 21
enter onto Joyce Lane rather than Route 663 and a de -acceleration lane.
Upon questioning by Mrs. Craddock, it was ascertained that the lots
would have individual wells and septic systems. It was noted that some
of this land was wet (marshy) and that perc tests would have to be
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completed before the final approval. Mr. Tinsley motioned approval of the
request with Highway dept. approval (de-accerleration lane) and lots
2 and 21 enter onto Joyce Lane. Dr. Sams seconded the motion which carried
unanimously. It was noted that the other conditions were already on the plat.
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Mr. Tucker asked the Commission to defer the work session on the Special
Mobile Home Permit. It was the consensus of the Commission to do this.
The Commission decided to wait until January 7th to decide if they
would be in agreement to defer SP-253 Frank Folsom Smith until the third meeting
in January.
There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned.