HomeMy WebLinkAbout01 15 85 PC MinutesJanuary 15, 1985
The Albemarle County Planning Commission conducted a public hearing
on Tuesday, January 15, 1985, Meeting Room 7, County Office Building,
Charlottesville, Virginia. Those
members present were: Mr. David Bowerman, Chairman; Mr. Richard
Cogan, Vice -Chairman; Mr. Richard Gould; Mr. James Skove; Mr.
Harry Wilkerson; Mr. Tim Michel and Ms. Normal Diehl. Other
officials present were: Mr. James Donnelly, Director of Planning
and Community Development; Mr. Ronald Keeler, Chief of Planning;
Ms. Marcia Joseph, Planner; Ms. Amelia McCulley, Planner; Ms.
Katherine Imhoff, Chief of Community Development; Mr. Frederick
Payne, Deputy County Attorney; and Ms. Patricia Cooke, Ex-Officio.
Mr. Bowerman called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m. after
establishing that a quorum was present.
The minutes of the December 18 and 20, 1984 meetings were approved
as amended.
Since the applicant for the first agenda item was not present, the
second item was presented first.
ZMA-84-25 Clarence and Mary Elder - Request to re -zone 1.0 acre
from RA, Rural Areas, to C-1, Commercial. Property, described as
Tax Map 59, Parcel 15A (part), is located on the south side of
250 West, approximately 1500 feet past the intersection of Routes
250 and 677. Samuel Miller Magisterial District.
Mr. Keeler gave the staff report. He explained that basically
staff is recommending approval of the re -zoning provided there
are constraints placed on the re -zoning limiting the usage of the
property to expansion of the 1740 House. He confirmed that this
would have to be offered by the applicant, but nothing has been
received from the applicant in this regard. He stated this had
not been discussed with the applicant.
The Chairman invited applicant comment.
Mr. Lecky Stone, attorney for the applicants, addressed the
Commission. He stated his clients are concerned with the 1740
House and the fact that it is on the National Historic Registry.
He added they are concerned vith maintaining the existing use as
an antique shop and they desire to maintain the existing appearance
of the property. He stated this is the only intent of the applicant
and indicated his clients were prepared to live with most any kind
of restrictions. He presented photographs of the building that
is to be placed on the property. He explained the applicants had
purchased the building in Halifax County, that it dates
around 1800, and is of the same design as the current building.
He stated the 1740 House is also the residence of the applicants,
and it has not yet been decided whether they will continue to
live in this building or if the new building will become their
residence. He stated his clients were agreeable to amending
the request in order to place these restrictions on it.
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Mr. Stone stated he did not feel there would be any problems with 11
the scenic set -back requirements.
There being no public comment, the matter was placed before the
Commission.
Mr. Skove indicated he was in agreement with staff and that he
felt this was a reasonable request. He stated he was unsure as
to how the proffer would be handled.
Mr. Bowerman explained that in other applications, where it was
felt that a proffer was needed before the Commission could grant
approval, the application has been denied with the statement
that "the Commission could have accepted the proposal if...."
That then leaves the applicant free to do what he chooses prior
to review by the Board.
Mr. Cogan stated he would also like to see the issue of the set -back
dealt with in the proffer.
Ms. Diehl indicated she could not support the request as stated,
but that she could support a re -zoning that incorporated the
structure as presented in the photographs, including no variance
from the set -back requirements.
Mr. Cogan indicated he was in agreement with Mr. Skove and Ms.
Diehl.
It was determined the proffer should state that the proposed usage
be consistent with the use now in existence and that the proposal
would not require a variance from the scenic highway set -back
requirement.
It was determined the highway requirements would be dealt with
at the time of site plan review.
Mr. Keeler confirmed that since this is clearly an expansion of
an existing use a site plan is required. He also stated the
Highway Department has already indicated that the entrance does
not meet current standards.
Mr. Skove moved that ZMA-84-26 for Clarence and Mary Elder be
recommended to the Board for denial, with the understanding that the
Commission could recommend approval if the uses are consistent
with the current usage and the usage does not require an additional
variance from the scenic highway set -back requirement.
Ms. Diehl seconded the motion which was unanimously approved.
The matter was scheduled to be heard by the Board of Supervisors
on February 6.
Mr. Keeler informed the applicant if he wished to make written
proffers for the ward Iscrnsideration, and desired staff assistance,
staff would need to have the proffers at least ten days before
the meeting.
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SP-84-85 Robert Adcock - Request to locate a double wide mobile
home on 2.18 acres zoned RA, Rural Areas. Property, described
as Tax Map 41, Parcel 20 (part), is located on the east side of
Route o80 about 3/4 mile south of its intersection with Route
810. White Hall Magisterial District.
Ms. Joseph gave the staff report.
Mr. and Mrs. Adcock, the applicants, addressed the Commission.
He stated the neighbor who had expressed opposition lived two
miles away. He presented photographs of the proposed unit. He
indicated he had contacted most of the other neighbors and had
discovered no other opposition to the proposal.
It was determined the mobile home would be for applicant use.
There being no public comment, the matter was placed before the
Commission.
Mr. Cogan, being familiar with the area, stated the mobile home
would not be visible from the highway. He also stated that although
Ms. Woodson (the opposing neighbor) does live two miles away, she
cFTs property across the street from the applicant's lot. How-
ever, he stated he felt Ms. Woodson would probably withdraw her
objection if she could see the photographs of the proposed unit.
Mr. Cogan moved that SP-84-85 for Robert Adcock be recommended
to the Board of Supervisors for approval subject to the conditions
of staff.
Mr. Gould seconded the motion.
Mr. Michel expressed interest in the difference between a
regular mobile home and a double -wide.
Mr. Keeler stated he was under the impression the Commission did
not wish to get involved with the aesthe-ics of the issue.
Mr. Cogan stated he did not recall the Commission ever having
decided not to take that into consideration. He indicated that
historically it has been shown that opposition to a mobile
home is withdrawn when it is discovered that it is to be a double -
wide on a permanent foundation. He indicated he felt this was
a significant issue.
The applicant indicated the double -wide shown in the photographs
was identical to the unit he was purchasing. He stated he would
have no objection to an added condition of approval which would
restrict the unit to one similar to that in the photograph.
Mr. Cogan amended his motion to include condition (3) as follows:
3. Mobile home to be placed upon _lot shall be similar
to that shown in photograph submitted by applicant.
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SP-84-85 was unanimously recommended to the Board of Supervisors
for approval subject to the following conditions:
1. Compliance with Section 5.6.2 of the Zoning Ordinance.
2. Maintenance of vegetation along fence line for screening
purposes.
3. Mobile home to be placed upon lot shall be similar
to that shown in photograph submitted by applicant.
The matter was scheduled to be heard by the Board of Supervisors
on January 16, 1985.
Further Discussion:
Regarding the issue of differences in taxation for double-wides
or single -wide mobile homes, Mr. Bowerman asked if it would
be desirable for the Commission to obtain clarification from
the finance area, since this could be of assistance in differentiating
between the different types of mobile homes.
Mr. Harold Morris, owner of a mobile home dealership in Fishersville,
addressed the Commission. In an attempt to help clarify matters,
Mr. Morris stated that any time a double -wide is placed on a basement
or floor foundation, Albemarle County automatically taxes it as
real estate. A single -wide which has any attachement to it, i.e.
a porch, garage, etc., is also taxed as real estate in most cases.
He indicated he felt it was wrong for the Commission to differ-
entiate between the two.
Mr_. Bowerman indicated that a double -wide on a permanent foundation
is actually a house, and houses do not have to have Commission
approval.
Mr. Morris differed with this and stated that unless it is a BOCA
code unit, it does have to come before the Commission.
Mr. Keeler stated all this had been covered in the Mobile Home
Study and there is currently legislation before the General Assem-
bly that may have dramatic effect on how mobile homes are dealt
with in the future. Therefore, he indicated he felt it would
be better to wait until a later time to pursue the taxation
question.
Mr. Bowerman repeated that he would still like to have further
information on taxation.
ZMA-84-20 Keswick P.U.D. - Located south of Keswick, bordered by
I-64 on the south, Route 616 on the east, and Route 731 on the
west. Proposal to rezone 522.20 acres from RA, Rural Areas to
P.U.D., Planned Unit Development. A total of 145 units is load
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proposed (80 cluster units on 36 acres for a density of 2.2
dwelling units per acre, and 65 lots on 280.95 acres for a density
of one dwelling unit per 4.01 acres). Total gross density pro-
posed is one dwelling unit per 3.5 acres. Other facilities include
equestrian center on 6 acres; clubhouse, pool and guest rooms on
14.75 acres; golf course on 1.33.68 acres, tennis courts and sup-
port facilities on 9.64 acres; wastewater treatment site on 4.1
acres; added open space on 11.00 acres; subdivision roads on
11.08 acres; and non --specified lot on 15.00 acres. Tax Map 80,
Parcels 8, 8B, 8B-1, 8C, 8I, 8J, 8K, 8N, 8N-1, 8P, 8Q, 8U, 8V,
8-H--1, 8X, 9, 31, 60A, 61, 61F, 61J, 62 (part) , 70 (part) , 97
and on Tax Map 94, Parcels 41 (part), and 42. (part). Rivanna
Magisterial District.
Unanimously deferred until January 29, 1985.
SP-84-86 Earl Malisoff - Request to utilize the existing Farmington
Hunt Club, clubhouse, and pool for commercial activities such as
aerobics, gymnastics, and physical fitness. Property, described
as Tax Map 43, Parcel 11A consists of 30 acres and is zoned RA,
Rural Areas. Located on the south side of Route 601 at its inter-
section with Route 676. (Across from Hunt Country Store). Samuel
Miller Magisterial District.
Unanimously deferred until February 12, 1985.
OLD BUSINESS
Section 8 Rental Assistance Program - Description of current
housing program for the Planning Commission's information which
provides rental subsidies to 180 lower income families in Albemarle
County. The Section 8 Program is one program under the Division
of Community Development, Department of Planning.
Ms. Imhoff stated the staff in the Housing Department had provided
a slide show describing the Section 8 Housing Program. She
explained that Ms. Linda Winkler, administrator of the Section 8
Program, would be giving the presentation, assisted by Ms. Joyce
Dudek, housing inspector and computer technician. She reminded
the Commission that when the Division of Community Development had
been formed, the Housing Office, which had been separate, was
incorporated into the Department of Planning and Community Develop-
ment.
Ms. Winkler presented the slides. She stated that the program
operates under the Federal Rental Assistance Program and Albemarle
County has been allocated 180 units. She stated the units are
located throughout the County and can be either apartments or
single-family dwellings. She explained that federal money is
supplied by the Department of Housing and Urban Development
and is dispersed, on the local level, by Virginia Housing, which
was created by the General Assembly in 1972. The program makes
rental assistance available to income -eligible families or to
handicapped or disabled individuals. She explained that families
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pay no more than 300 of their adjusted income for rent and
utilities. She stated gross rent for the units cannot exceed
the fair market rates which have been established by HUD for
our locality. Families can choose any unit within the County,
provided that the property meets housing quality standards for
decent, safe and sanitary housing, and provided that it
falls within the fair market rates.
Ms. Winkler further explained that the payments for the contract
rent are paid directly by Virginia Housing or the family. She
stated that in 1984 Virginia Housing paid out to landlords approx-
imately $468,961; utility checks amounted to approximately $28,000.
The administrative fees paid to the County to operate this program
were $45,000 and operational expenses for 1984 were $43.339.44.
She stated the operation of the program for 1984 was run at no
cost to Albemarle County and generated revenues overall amounting
to $500,000.
Referring to the flow chart that had been presented to the
Commission, she described the procedure followed by an applicant
from the time of application until a lease is signed.
In answer to the Commissioners' questions, the following information
was pointed out:
The program allows people to locate housing of their choice
rather than placing them in designated housing projects.
Some people must be denied assistance because not enough
funding is available.
A much needed service is provided at no expense to the County.
180 families are currently receiving assistance. A waiting
list is maintained that is usually opened only once a year
for a period of 60 days.
The program deals only with existing housing.
A great deal of time is spent verifying changes in
applicants' circumstances which may result in taking
them off the program. This helps to insure that as many
eligible persons as possible receive assistance.
Although additional units have been requested, Albemarle County
is not considered as needy as some other areas, and requests
have been denied.
VHDA will reimburse landlords up to two months' contract rent
for damages to units. If the damage exceeds such amount, the
landlord's only recourse is through the courts. (Ms. Winkler
pointed out this is true of any tenant, not just Section 8
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The Housing Office does often act as mediator between landlords
and tenants. If it cannot be determined who is at fault, the
tenant is referred to Legal Aid and the landlord to his own
private counsel. (Ms. Winkler stated very few disputes actually
go to court.)
In case of damages, a landlord must go to court to recover.
If he is awarded damages, then the Housing Office sees that
he is reimbursed, up to two months' rent. If he seeks any
amount in excess of that, he must try to recover it from the
tenant in the form of wage garnishment, etc. (Ms. Winkler
explained that a tenant involved in such a case would not be
eligible for future assistance until he has made reimbursement
to VHDA for any money paid on his behalf, in addition to any
extra amount that may have been due to the owner.)
A computer record is now being kept on all Section 8 tenants
that is available to all localities involved in this program.
Regarding limitations on rent, the fair market rate, including
utilities,is: $361 for a one bedroom; and $415 for a two
bedroom.
Unfortunately, Albemarle County is compared to places such
as Orange, Fluvanna and Greene counties, whose housing and
rent markets differ greatly from Albemarle, for determination
of fair market value.
The Chairman commended Ms. Winkler for her informative and concise
presentation.
Brookmill Condominiums - Mr. Keeler explained that the developer
had requested that the final plat be given administrative approval.
He stated the Commission had failed to act on that request and
unless the Commission objected, the staff would approve the final
plat administratively. Mr. Keeler indicated a bike path would
be included on the plat.
No objection was made to allowing staff administrative approval.
South Pantops Drive - Mr. Keeler stated this issue was before
the Commission at this time because on several occasions in the
past the Commission has seen site plans on South Pantops Drive
in which the road has been described as an urban cross section
with curb and gutter and sidewalks. He explained the developer
has now made a request to change to a rural cross section. He
stated the Commission had not specifically required an urban
cross section. He stated the County Engineer has indicated he
can support a rural cross section, and the Highway Department
has indicated, if the Commission approves a rural cross section,
they will accept it into the state system. However, he stated
Mr. Roosevelt (Highway Department) was concerned that, given the
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expected volume on the road, the drainage and maintenance
problems would be greater with a rural cross section than with
an urban one.
In response to Mr. Bowerman's inquiry, Mr. Payne explained no
action was required of the Commission because the condition of
the site plan was for the County Engineer and Highway Department
to approve the design of the road. However, since it had been
presented as an urban cross section, neither the staff nor the
applicant was comfortable with making such a change without in-
forming the Commission.
Mr. Elrod ('County Engineer) stated he had nct approved any
design at this time. However, he indicated he agreed with the
developer that a rural cross section would be appropriate. He
indicated he did not feel the maintenance required for the two
types of roads would be much different in terms of expense.
Mr. Roosevelt (Highway Department) addressed the Commission.
He indicated he felt the County Engineer looks at matters such
as this in a different light than does the Highway Department.
He stated when this area was fully developed it would be urban
in nature, and while no problems currently exist with the ditch -
line, they are likely to develop as development in the area
increases He stated he felt there would be problems with a
two-lane rural cross section, such as low shoulders and vehicles
pulling onto the shoulders to pass. He stated the Highway Depart-
ment stands by its original recommendation for an urban cross
section. He stressed, however, that the Highway Department
has no authority to require curb and gutter on any new street,
and if the Commission sees fit to reduce this standard to a rural
cross section, it is acceptable to Highway Department standards.
Mr. Keeler stated it was his understanding that if a rural cross-
section were approved, urban -designed entrances would still be
required.
Mr. Roosevelt stated that the option of curb and gutter on the
commercial entrances, or to build them as a rural section, would
rest with the developer. However, he stated he felt it would
be difficult to get a rural cross section at the entrance given
the right-of-way that is anticipated.
The Chairman invited comments from the applicant.
Dr. Charles Hurt addressed the Commission. He stated. that
the road had been built six or seven years ago according to
Highway Department recommendations at that time. He indicated
he objected to paving all of Pantops for traffic that will prob-
ably never be generated. In answer to Mr. Bowerman's question,
Dr. Hurt stated very few improvements would need to be made
to the road for it to be a rural cross section.(similar to
Greenbriar Drive). He explained some blacktop would need to be
added.
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Referring to the fact that the County Engineer and the Highway
Department were of different opinions on this matter, Mr. Bowerman
asked to whom the Commission should look for guidance.
Mr. Roosevelt stated the traffic generation figure had been
agreed upon by the County Engineer and the Highway Department
(3,000 to 5,000 vehicle trips per day). The Subdivision Standards
Book, issued by the State Highway Department, and followed by
the County, indicates the standards that must be met for this
amount of traffic, i.e. two lanes (24 feet wide) for a rural
section, or four lanes (48 feet), curb and gutter, for an urban
section. He confirmed that both could handle the same amount
of traffic; however, the four lane plan could handle commercial
entrances off of it without turn lanes, while the two lane would
require turn lanes wherever there were major commercial entrances.
Mr. Payne stated it was not necessary for the Commission to teke
any action, unless it so desires. All that is required is for
the Commission to advise the County Engineer to use his judgment
in the matter. He further stated it was his understanding that
whichever road Dr. Hurt builds, it will meet VDH&T standards and
could be accepted into the state system.
Mr. Roosevelt confirmed this (provided the road meets Fighway
Department standardq.
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agreed to the deletion of the curb and gutter, that the road would
still be four lanes (i.e. a four lane rural road, not two lanes).
He indicated he agreed with Mr. Roosevelt that the road should
still be four lanes, with the two outside lanes serving as turn
lanes.
Mr. Gilliam, attorney for Dr. Hurt, addressed the Commission and
stated that until this meeting both he and Dr. Hurt were under
the impression that a two lane road was being discussed. He
again stated Dr. Hurt was concerned about building more than
was required.
Mr. Elrod indicated he would have no objection to a two lane road
with the criteria that any future development would be required
to put in turn lanes as needed.
Mr. Gilliam confirmed that this was what Mr. Hurt had in mind,
and was acceptable to him.
Mr. Roosevelt stated the Highway Department and the County
Engineer had not had sufficient time to review this matter.
It was the consensus of the Commission that it be left up to
the County Engineer, the Highway Department and the applicant
as to what type of rural cross section would be appropriate.
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Flow Charts - Regarding future activities of the Commission vs.
future activities of the committee being formed to study the
ordinances, Mr. Skove asked if the Commission wished to
continue to examine the flow charts recently developed by staff
or if this should be left up to the new committee. It was
determined the Commission would not deal with the charts and
they would be taken up by the committee. Ms. Diehl stated she
would like to receive copies of the charts for her own infor-
mation. Regarding certain other items such as bonuses, land-
scaping requirements, mobile home recommendations, etc., it was
determined that staff should prepare suggested changes which
would still be reviewed by the Commission with the possibility
that some of these changes might be implemented.
Ms. Diehl stated it was her understanding that the committee
would be submitting, recommendations to the Commission for
speeding up the permit process.
It was determined the Commission wished to kept informed of
the committee's progress.
Joint Meetin2 with Board of Supervisors - Mr. Donnelly reminded
the Commission of a joint meeting with the Board of Supervisors
scheduled for February 6 at 3:30 p.m. Mr. Bowerman requested
that staff compile an agenda of items to be taken up at the
meeting (including bonuses).
Financial Disclosure Statements - Mr. Bowerman reminded the
Members of the Commission of their obligation to submit their
financial disclosures (due January 15).
Mr. Bowerman welcomed Ms. Cooke back as the liaison between
the Board of Supervisors and the Planning Commission for
the coming year.
There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at
9:00 P.M.
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James R. onnelly, Secretary
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