HomeMy WebLinkAbout08 05 86 PC MinutesAugust 5, 1986
The Albemarle County Planning Commission held a public hearing on
Tuesday, August 5, 1986, Meeting Room 7, County Office Building, Charlottesville,
Virginia. Those members present were: Mr. Richard Cogan, Vice Chairman;
Mr. Harry Wilkerson; Ms. Norma Diehl; Mr. Richard Gould; Mr. Tim Michel; and
Mr. Peter Stark. Other officials present were: Mr.Ronald Keeler, Chief of
Planning and Mr. Frederick Payne, Deputy County Attorney. Absent:
Mr. David Bowerman.
Mr. Cogan called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m. and established that a
quorum was present. The minutes of the July 22, 1986 meeting were approved
as submitted.
SP-86-42 Saponi Corporation - Request in accordance with Section 10.2.2(35) of
the Zoning Ordinance for a special use permit to convert cafeteria/lodge
structure into a church building. Property, described as Tax Map 21, parcel
32B consists of 13.459 acres and is located east of Rt. 29N, near the
Green County line. Property has access from Greene County on St. Rt. 1120.
Zoned RA, Rural Areas. Rivanna Magisterial District.
Mr. Keeler gave the staff report.
It was determined the building sits just within the Albemarle County line.
The Chairman invited applicant comment.
Mr. J.F. Bishop was present to represent the applicant but offered no additional
comment.
There being no public comment, the matter was placed before the Commission.
It was determined there would no longer be camping on this 131-2 acres.
Mr. Bishop also corrected the staff report which had stated there were
16 residential units in the camp. He stated there were only 10 residential
units and the usage of these units for rental purposes would not change.
Mr. Wilkerson moved that SP-86-42 for Saponi Corporation be recommended to
the Board of Supervisors for approval subject to the following conditions:
1. Seating capacity limited to 100 people.
2. Health Department verification that septic facilities are adequate
for purposed church use.
3. Staff approval of parking expansion.
Ms. Diehl seconded the motion which passed unanimously.
The matter was to be heard by the Board of Supervisors on August 20, 1986.
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SP-86-44 Jan Spink/Irving Jones - Request to allow a special use permit for
commercial stables on a vacant 50.9 acre parcel. Property described as Tax
Map 44, parcel 4F is located on the south side of Rt. 676, approximately
1/2 mile west of intersection with Rt. 660. Zoned RA, Rural Areas. Jack
Jouett Magisterial District.
Mr. Keeler gave the staff report.
Regarding condition No. 1 (Enrollment limited to fifty-five (55) persons),
Ms. Diehl asked how staff had arrived at this figure. Mr. Keeler replied
that it was based entirely on a similar application (Davila) for which
the traffic levels had been almost identical.
The Chairman invited applicant comment.
Ms. Jan Spink addressed the Commission. She pointed out that this would
not be a membership -type riding club. She also stated that the 55 limitation
had been suggested by staff though she would probably never work with that
many people. She explained that typically she worked with four people a
day. She stated that her main purpose was to work with handicapped persons,
but she often must give therapists lessons also. Ms. Spink stated that
she would work primarily within a controlled setting with little trail
riding. It was determined Ms. Spink currently has two horses, with a limit
of 10. Ms. Spink stressed that this was not actually a commercial
stable, but this was the closest description that could be found in the
ordinance.
Mr. Payne confirmed that the classification as a commercial stable was
an accurate one.
Mr. Irving Jones, one of the applicants, stated that the Highway Department
has approved commercial sight distance. He was interested in knowing
at what point a decel lane would be required, i.e. at what level of traffic
would a decel lane would be required. He felt a decel lane would not be
necessary for this operation. Mr. Cogan stated that he could not speak for
the Highway Department and was unsure as to what they will require.
There being no public comment, the matter was placed before the Commission.
The Commission was concerned about the wording of Condition No. 1 since
there would not actually be an enrollment per se. Ms. Diehl felt if the
Highway Department was concerned about not increasing the traffic level on the
road, then the number should be geared to some kind of rationale that would
not increase the traffic that would be expected with development of this
property rather than based solely on a previous application. Mr. Payne
suggested that the number noted by the applicant (10) would be a sensible
number and suggested the following change: "Not more than 10 students
per day." Mr. Stark indicated he was more comfortable with the term
"clients."
Ms. Spink stated that occasionally she will hold training sessions which
will involve more than 10 people. The Commission agreed this would not
cause a problem.
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It was determined condition No. 1 would be changed to read: "Usage
limited to not more than 10 clients per day."
Mr. Stark moved that SP-86-44 for Jan Spink/Irving Jones be recommended
to the Board of Supervisors for approval subject to the following
conditions:
1. Usage limited to not more than 10 clients per day.
2. Not more than one (1) horse show or other such event per year
open to the general public.
3. Compliance with 5.1.3 of the Zoning Ordinance:
5.1.3 Commercial Stable
a. Riding rings and other riding surfaces shall be covered and
maintained with a material such as pine bark to minimize dust
and erosion;
b. Fencing and other methods of animal confinement shall be main-
tained at all times.
4. Virginia Department of Highways and Transportation approval of a
private street commercial entrance.
5. Staff approval of off-street parking.
6. Any grading plan to be reviewed by Watershed Management Official in
addition to review by County Engineer.
Mr. Wilkerson seconded the motion which passed unanimously. The matter
was to be heard by the Board of Supervisors on August 20, 1986.
SP-86-47 Encore Investors LimitedPartnership - Request to amend Sp-78-22 to
incorporate and to extend to this parcel all uses permitted under SP-78-22
but not to increase density or uses permitted under SP-78-22. Property
described as Tax Map 60A(l), parcel 30 consists of .627 acres and is
located on the east side of Georgetown Road just north of Georgetown
Court Subdivision. Zoned R-15, Residential. Charlottesville Magisterial
District.
Mr. Keeler gave the staff report. The report stated that the property orig-
inally subject to SP-78-22 would be referred to as the Mowinckel tract and
property proposed to be added under this petition would be referred to as the
Ross tract. Mr. Keeler also explained that the last plan reviewed for this
property had been Westgate V and that the disposition of stormwater had been
a major issue of that review. Mr. Keeler stated, "It is my understanding, at
this time, that the Highway Department has approved the method of discharge
of the stormwater into the public right-of-way." Mr. Keeler called the
Commission's attention to this situation because Ms.Blair, who owns property
across Georgetown Road, has been concerned about this issue for some time.
The Chairman invited applicant comment.
Mr. Don Wagner addressed the Commission. His comments included the following:
--He asked for a modification of the setback requirement from Georgetown
Court, i.e. that it be a 25 foot setback rather than a 50 foot setback.
He clarified that he was requesting a 25-foot setback off the property line.
It was his understanding that a 25-foot setback was allowable in a
commercial office area.
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The Chairman invited public comment.
Mr. Gary Kendall, attorney for Mrs. Gay Johnson Blair, addressed the Commission.
He stressed that Ms. Blair has been concerned about the stormwater issue
since the property first began to be developed and the situation does not seem
to be any closer to a solution. He presented several photographs to the
Commission which depicted the topography of the land. He called attention
to the steepness of the land. Mr. Kendall stressed that Ms. Blair's property
was served by two private wells. He explained that Ms. Blair was concerned
about the large amounts of water that will come off of this property and
drain directly onto her property. He stated her main concern was that once
the development has occurred and the drainage issue is tied to the
building permit rather than the special use permit, the matter will never
be resolved. Ms. Blair was also concerned about contamination of her wells
which has already occurred (December 1984). He stated, "We would like to
ask that the Planning Commission not only consider, as a condition of
granting this special use permit on the Ross tract, that these restrictions
are imposed and some studies are done, not only for the protection of Mrs.
Blair's property, but for the protection of the reservoir, the watershed
area, and those folks downstream on Meadowcreek, but we also ask that it
be done with some eye as to what's going to happen in the future as to the
part we have already given a special use permit to."
Ms. Blair addressed the Commission and pointed out that this property,
including the Ross property, is not included in the watershed area, even
though the water does drain that way.
Mr. Kendall added that silt from the Mowinckel tract is currently coming
across the street and being deposited on Mrs. Blair's property.
The Chairman asked for comment from the County Engineer. Mr. Armm explained
that water is now crossing Georgetown Road because of the roadway design itself.
However, with the plan that has been approved, there will be a series of drainage
inlets which will catch the water coming down off the site as it reaches George-
town road and will then divert it into the Bennington Channel. Only a
tapered portion in Westgate V will still cross Georgetown Road toward the Blair
property, going to the watershed and thus requiring run-off control. In
response to Mr. Kendall's question, Mr. Armm indicated he was unaware of the
size of the pipes that go under Georgetown Road, but he was aware that they
are currently clogged. Mr. Armm added, "My understanding from my staff is
that the drainage plans for this portion up to the rear have been approved
by the Engineering Department, the planning staff, and this Commission. The
subject property we are here for tonight, we do not know what type of coverage
is truly planned. It's just a change in zoning at this point so we cannot
speak to stormwater detention, whether it will actually be required. If there's
development of greater than 20,000 square feet of impervious surface on here, it
will be required through the ordinance. That will not be runoff control in that
that would be intercepted and brought back down into the Bennington Channel.
The plans that were proposed for Westgate V, from my understanding, have sort of
gotten lost over the last few years, with no finalization. So now, as it
stands, there is still a need for review of the Westgate V drainage and runoff
control."
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In response to Mr. Cogan's question, Mr. Armm stated he had tried to
contact the Highway Department to determine their plans for the two pipes
that are currently clogged. He was not successful. Mr. Armm stated that
the pipes will need not only to be cleaned out, but also extended. Mr.
Armm indicated those pipes could not be connected to the Bennington Channel
because that would involve diverting water from the watershed, which is against
County policy.
Mr. Kendall again stressed that his client was concerned about contaminated
water runoff from this property flowing into the stream that feeds the
reservoir.
Mr. Armm confirmed there would be no problem with getting the runoff from
the Ross tract into the Bennington Channel.
Mr. Cogan asked what the options were for Westgate V. Mr. Armm responded,
"I think the options are that revised plans have to be submitted that would
show how both detention and runoff control would be handled for Westgate V.
That portion of the tract falls under both those requirements, detention
and runoff control." He stated that the runoff from Westgate V would still
have to stay within its watershed, which is part of the Rivanna watershed.
It was determined a site plan for Westgate V has been approved by the
Planning Commission. Mr. Keeler stated he was unaware of how many of the
conditions of approval have been met.
Mr. Wagner stated the plans for Westgate V would result in less water going
through the pipes under Gerogetown Road than currently. He indicated the
actual work has been delayed because of the involved transactions with
obtaining the Ross property.
Mr. Cogan closed the public portion of the hearing at this point.
Regarding the request for a variance from the setback requirement, Mr.
Cogan stated he did not think it was within the Commission's power to grant
such a variance at this stage. He asked for comment from Mr. Payne.
Mr. Payne indicated it was his understanding that Mr. Wagner was asking
that it not be treated as if it were zoned CO, but rather to simply have
the setback be what it would be in R-15 on the theory that R-15 permits offices
by special use permit. Mr. Payne indicated it was within the Commission's
power to do this, but it certainly was not required.
Ms. Diehl stated she felt the condition should remain as suggested by staff.
Mr. Michel asked if this is approved would the Ross property be incorporated
into the original special use permit and be allowed to develop as offices.
It was determined that the original 8,000 square feet approved for offices
would not be increased, but a portion of that 8,000 square feet could be
built on this property.
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Regarding the setback issue, Mr. Keeler suggested the following addition
to condition No. 12: However, at the time of final site plan approval the
Planning Commission may reduce the setback to not less than 25 feet.
Ms. Diehl stated, "My point was it was a lower density than the R-15 and
I think the 50-foot buffer is a reasonable request." Messrs. Gould, Michel
and Stark agreed.
Regarding the run-off issue and the suggestion that this approval be somehow
tied to Westgate V, Mr. Cogan stated he felt the Westgate V site plan would
stand on its own and the Engineering Department is aware of the concerns
of both the Commission and Mrs. Blair. He suggested adding a condition
to the effect that the runoff from this tract would have to go into the
Bennington Channel.
Mr. Stark stated this might be the Commission's last chance to see that
the runoff issue gets resolved.
Mr. Keeler pointed out that there has been no development of this property,
the site plan simply has not gone forward. He stated the Westgate V plan
will expire in three or four months if the conditions are not met and con-
struction has not begun. He stated the Commission could fail to grant
an extension of the approval and require that it be re -submitted, with
the understanding that it not be re -submitted until the Engineering Department
has approved the method of stormwater disposition.
Mr. Cogan stated he felt nothing would be accomplished by tying this
to Westgate V because it is already a condition of the site plan that the
stormwater drainage plans must be approved.
Mr. Michel indicated he still was concerned about this becoming a part of
the Westgate V approval and thus allowing offices to be placed on this
property.
Mr. Cogan pointed out that the amount of square footage for offices was
not being increased, but just the amount of land area upon which that
square footage can be placed.
Mr. Stark asked if there was any way the water which is running across
Georgetown Road could be diverted away from Ms. Blair's property. It
was determined this would be difficult since this is a natural drainage
area. It was also pointed out that staff would not support any diversion
of water from the reservoir.
Mr. Cogan stated he felt the conditions should remain as presented by
staff, i.e. the original ten conditions of SP-78-22, plus two additional
ones. Mr. Cogan asked Mr. Payne to comment on his suggestion that a
a condition be added requiring that the runoff from this tract be
diverted to the Bennington Channel.
Mr. Payne responded, "Unless there is some very important policy objective
to be served by it, I don't think that kind of condition is a good idea
generally. Mr. Armm is the expert, and I feel a little uncomfortable with
the Commission instructing him on a matter on which he is the expert unless
there is some really important policy objective."
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Mr. Armco stated he was aware of what the Commission hoped to accomplish and
he felt the only way it would be accomplished was by letting the water
go into the Benning Channel.
Mr. Keeler indicated the phrasing of such a condition would be important
and suggested the following: "The Commission would ask the County Engineer
to be particularly mindful on the review of the site plan for the Ross
property, that storm drainage be carried to the Bennington Channel."
Mr. Payne stated, "The difficulty I have with this is that Mr. Armm is
going to be confronted with the problem of making sure this drainage works
properly when the development comes in. I don't know that it is really
terribly important in this case, but I am very concerned about tying his
hands in a case where, (for instance), the site plan isn't even approved
for six months or twelve months and something happens to change the
conditions and all of a sudden he is brought a drainage plan that makes
a great deal of sense that is not what you said, but is based on some
changed circumstances."
Mr. Cogan pointed out, however, that if the drainage was going to go
anywhere but the Bennington Channel, the Commission would not approve it.
The other Commissioners agreed.
Mr. Keeler stated, "Ideally water that drains in this direction (pointing to
the map) to this point southward would go to the Bennington Channel anyway.
I think what Mr. Armco indicated to you is that currently Georgetown Road
hasn't received a lot of attention over the years and there is some question
as to whether the ditchline, pipes, etc. are adequate for that purpose.
What's occuring now is that the water comes down the drive and goes
accross the road. What we are doing is basically restoring the direction
of the flow that the Highway Department intended. We are not supporting
any diversion of water from the reservoir. ... What is in the watershed
we hope to keep in the watershed. ... I think we need to be very careful
when we are talking about cases like this about diverting water out of the
reservoir watershed."
Mr. Armm added, "If Georgetown road had never been built, that water would
flow to the watershed naturally. But because of the fact that the State
Highway Department has put a road through there and the road is crowned
so that water flows off to each side, the intention is for it to go down
the easterly sideline, southerly, back into Bennington Channel. What is
happening now is that the road is not functioning properly, there is not
a good crown so the driveway carries the water over to the opposite side.
Yes, in essence, it is being diverted out of the watershed, but it is being
diverted because of the fact that the road has been constructed and the
proper way for that road to function is to carry it into the Bennington
Channel."
Ms. Diehl moved that SP-86-47 for Encore Investors Limited Partnership
be recommended to the Board of Supervisors for approval subject to the
following conditions:
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1. Amend the approved site plan of August 29, 1978.
2. County Engineering Department approval of adequate on -site and off -site
drainage facilities.
3. Virginia Department of Highways and Transportation approval of access
facilities and adequate dedication for a 60-foot right-of-way along
Rt. 656 frontage, including increasing the pavement depth of the existing
Bennington Road to satisfy Virginia Department of Highways and
Transportation specifications from Inglewood Drive to the end of the
existing temporary turnaround.
4. This site is approved for a total of 375 dwelling units; provided that
if any units are to have access from Bennington Road, they shall be 34
in number, with lots 1-12 developed as single-family detached dwelling
units; the remaining lots developed as single-family detached
and two-family dwelling units with a maximum of seven two-family
dwellings, whose location shall be approved by the County Planning
staff. In the alternative, the area proposed for subdivision (as shown
on plat dated 5/30/78 and initialled "RWT") may be developed in
townhouses provided access is only through Georgetown Road.
5. At such time as access is established to Georgetown Road, permanent
access for the day care center to Georgetown Road shall be provided.
6. a. The staff shall approve temporary access, parking and play area for
the day care center (the following standards shall be used for the
temporary plan: parking - 1 space/2 employees; 1 space/10 children
enrolled; 2 spaces for the dwelling; play area - 75 square feet/
child enrolled);
b. In the event of sale df property on which the day care facility is
located, the County Attorney shall review written agreements insuring
site plan cooperation.
7. The day care center shall be served by both public water and sewer to be
approved by the Albemarle County Service Authority.
8. Approval of the day care center by appropriate state and local
agencies. Conditions stated are supplementary and nothing contained
herein shall be deemed to preclude applicant of requirements and
regulations by the Virginia Department of Welfare or any other
agency.
9. Licensure by the Virginia Department of Welfare as a child care center.
In the event of license expiration, suspension or revocation, the Zoning
Administrator shall refer this petition to the Board of Supervisors for
public hearing after notice pursuant to Section 15.1-431 of the Code
of Virginia, as amended. It shall be the responsibility of the applicant
to transmit to the Zoning Administrator a copy of the original license
and all renewals thereafter. Failure to do so shall be deemed willful
non-compliance with the provisions of this special use permit.
10. Conditions 1, 6a, 7, 8, and 9 shall be met prior to the opening of the
day care center.
11. Access to the Ross tract limited to access as approved under SDP-84-062
(The Commons at Georgetown). No direct access from the Ross tract
to Rt. 656.
12. Should the Ross tract be devoted to office usage, all requirements of the
CO district shall apply in relation to Georgetown Court (i.e. - setback,
screening, etc).
13. County Engineer shall ensure that stormwater drainage from the Ross
tract be diverted to the Bennington Channel. (Wording for this
additional condition was suggested by Mr. Gould.)
Mr. Wilkerson seconded the motion.
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Ms. Diehl asked that the record show that she would not be willing to approve
any extension of the Westgate V site plan unless the method for runoff control
has been approved.
The motion for approval passed unanimously.
Rio Woods Request for Site Plan Extension - Proposal to locate 72 rental units
at a density of 11 dwellings per acre. The present owners are requesting a
12-month extension for the plan to be valid until August 12, 1987.
This property is involved in ZMA-86-6, a request for a rezoning to C-1
Commercial. Property described as TM 61, parcels 124B, and 124C, is located
off the north side of Rt. 631 about 0.5 mile southeast of the intersection
with Rt. 29, and adjacent to the Putt -Putt Golf property. Charlottesville
Magisterial District.
Mr. Keeler gave the staff report which stated that two site plan extensions
have already been approved for this property (with a former owner). The
report stated that because of the following changes in circumstances,
and because the present owners have submitted a rezoning request, staff
was recommending denial:
1. Landscaping requirement amendment to the Zoning Ordinance.
2. Recreation requirement amendment to the Zoning Ordinance.
3. A decision by the County Attorney which will alter the
acceptable road design (for rent requirements versus for sale).
Mr. Keeler pointed out that even though the original site plan has been extended
twice, no changes have been made in that original plan, even though there
were conditions requiring changes to be made.
The Chairman invited applicant comment.
Mr. Don Wagner, representing the applicant, addressed the Commission. He
indicated he would be willing, as a condition of approval of this extension
request, to comply with all changes in requirements as listed by staff.
He asked that the Commission consider that this is the present owner's
first request for a site plan extension.
Ms. Diehl indicated she could not support the request and pointed out
that there have been so many changes, the present owners would need to
start all over.
Ms. Diehl moved that the Rio Woods Request for a Site Plan Extension be
denied.
Mr. Michel seconded the motion which passed unanimously.
Mr. Keeler went over some changes in upcoming agendas.
There being no further business, the meeti adjourned at 9:35 p.m.
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