HomeMy WebLinkAbout08 26 86 PC MinutesAugust 26, 1986
W,,, The Albemarle County Planning Commission held a public hearing on Tuesday,
August 27, 1986, Meeting Room 7, County Office Building, Charlottesville,
Virginia. Those members present were: Mr. David Bowerman, Chairman; Mr.
Richard Cogan, Vice Chairman; Mr. Tim Michel; Mr. Richard Gould; Ms.
Norma Diehl; and Mr. Peter Stark (entered the meeting at 8:50). Other
officials present were: Mr. John Horne, Director of Planning and Community
Development; Mr. Wayne Cilimberg, Chief of Community Development; Ms. Joan
Davenport, Senior Planner; Mr. David Benish, Planner; and Mr. Fred Payne,
Deputy County Attorney. Absent: Commissioner Wilkerson.
The Chairman called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m. and established that a
quorum was present. The minutes of the August 12, 1986 meeting were approved
as submitted.
George Palmer Site Plan Waiver - Request for approval for the development
of property located on the north side of White Hall Road (Route 614) across
from Waverly subdivision approximately 3/4 mile east of Route 671. Tax Map 42,
Parcel 41. White Hall Magisterial District. The applicant is proposing
to locate a third dwelling unit on approximately 240 acres.
Mr. Benish gave the staff report. The report explained that the Commission
had the power to waive the requirement for a site plan if the requirement for
such a plan would not further the purpose of the ordinance or otherwise serve
the public interest. Mr. Benish stated, "Because the access for the proposed
dwellings does not serve other parcels or cross property of others and does
not serve more than two dwellings, no road upgrading is required. This
site plan waiver will meet the requirements of the zoning ordinance and
staff recommends approval." Staff recommended no additions to be attached
to the approval.
The Chairman invited applicant comment. The applicant was present but offered
no additional comment.
There being no public comment, the matter was placed before the Commission.
Mr. Cogan moved that the George Palmer Site Plan Waiver request be approved.
Mr. Michel seconded the motion which passed unanimously.
SP-85-77 S.L. Williamson - Request to amend prior special use permit
(SP-81-10) allowing for the removal of sand and gravel to abandon the southern-
most site and establish an additional site on the South Fork Rivanna River.
Property described as Tax Map 62, parcel 16 (part of) is part of the Dunlora
Estate located on the east side of Rio. Road (Rt. 631) opposite the VO-TEC
Center. Rivanna Magisterial District.
and
ZMA-85-27 S.L. Williamson - Request to rezone approximately 5 acres of 352.05
acres from R-4, Residential, to R-4 Residential with NR, Natural Resource
overlay an extension of an existing 20 acre natural resource overlay.
Property described as Tax Map 62, parcel 16 (part of) is part of the Dunlora
Estate located on the east side of Rio Road (Rt. 631) opposite the VO-TEC Center.
Rivanna Magisterial District.
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It was determined these two items were to be deferred.
Mr. Cogan moved, seconded by Mr. Michel, that SP-85-77 and ZMA-85-27
for S.L. Williamson be deferred until September 16, 1986. The motion
was unanimously passed.
Mill Creek PUD, Phase I Preliminary Plat - This is a proposal to create 39
lots from a total of 26.92 acres, for a density of .75 dwelling units per acre
The proposed dwelling units are to be single family detached. The development
will be served by internal public roads with the primary access from Avon
Street Extended. The property is located on the northwest side of Avon Street
adjacent to (and north of) Lake Reynovia. Zoned PUD, Planned Unit
Development. Tax Map 90, parcel 36A. Scottsville Magisterial District.
Mr. Benish gave the staff report. The report stated there are three issues
to be resolved on this proposal: "Adequacy of fire protection (fire flow);
road design; and developability of certain lots." The report commented
on these three :issues and these comments included the following:
Fire Flow: "Several options are available to the applicant for final
plat approval. The applicant can further investigate whether a re -design of
the line could provide the necessary fire flows, or propose to loop the water
line to the 5th Street connection, or opt for receiving building permits on
every other lot until adequate fire flow can be provided."
Road Design: "The staff recommends that Copperstone Drive, Mill Creek Court,
and Stone Mill Court be constructed using a rural cross section design.
Mill Creek Drive, however, should be built using urban cross section design.
...Staff could support rural cross section on Mill Creek Drive within this phase
of development only if no lots are to be located directly on (enter onto)
this road."
Developability of Certain Lots: "Two lots (8 and 36) have building site
located on slopes in excess of 25%. An individual site plan for each lot
must be submitted to the County Engineer's Office for approval. A final plat
showing these lots will not be approved until County Engineer approval has been
received. A 15-foot drainage easement runs across lots 30 through 34. Staff
is concerned with the erosion which may eventually occur on these lots, as well
as how usable these lots will be for homeowners. ... Staff recommends that lots
be graded so that the slope of this drainage area will not exceed 4 to 1. This
will make this portion of the yards more usable and may discourage any alterations
by owners, and will also serve to reduce the velocity of the water flowing
through this area."
Staff recommended approval of the preliminary plat subject to conditions.
In regard to the road design, Mr. Benish stated staff felt there would
not be a substantial difference in a rural or urban cross section, except
in the case of Mill Creek Drive which, because it is the main road for the
development, should be an urban cross section.
The Chairman invited comment from Mr. Armm, the County Engineer. Mr. Armm
stated that the road design had generated much debate among the staff.
Both Mr. Benish and Mr. Armm explained that an important consideration had
been in trying to keep the cost down since this development is attempting
to offer "affordable -income" housing.
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Mr. Armm stated the developer has demonstrated that drainage concerns
can be handled with the rural cross section. He confirmed that the
✓ recommendation for an urban design for Mill Creek Drive is based
primarily on the traffic issue rather than drainage or road
construction considerations.
In response to Ms. Diehl's question regarding the "marginal lots" (those
with steep slopes), Mr. Armm explained that the developer had submitted a
conceptual plan showing grading for those lots and it does appear that
building sites can be located on the lots, though additional costs will
be involved because of the extra grading and excavation that will be required.
In response to Mr. Michel's question, Mr. Armm explained that it was
felt an urban cross section was necessary for Mill Creek Drive because
of the maintenance issue and also because of the necessity for adequate
width to allow two complete through lanes of traffic in the event that
parking might occur on the side of the road. It was determined an urban
design is considerably wider than a rural design.
Regarding the marginal lots, Mr. Armm stated, "We should have an approved
final site plan prior to their going to construction."
Mr. Horne pointed out that a number of the lots have grade problems, in
addition to those singled out, 36, 8 and 9, which have particular problems.
The Chairman invited comments from the Fire Official who stated, "We would
like to see 750 gallons per minute, but until such time as the developer wants to
build on every other lot, 500 gallons per minute would be acceptable."
In response to Mr. Cogan's question as to why the fire requirement seems to
have changed, the Fire Official explained that 500 gallons apparently had
been acceptable prior to his assuming the position of Fire Officer. He
stated that the I.S.O. requirement has not changed, but confirmed that it
may have been misinterpreted. He confirmed that the Ordinance requires
750 gpm.
Mr. Gould asked Mr. Rossee, representing the Service Authority to explain
the following statement which appeared in the staff report: "The PUD Phase 1
plans extend through a high area to lower elevation lots. The high point will
be a critical point during times of maximum flow and may create operational
problems (air locks)." Mr. Rossee explained that that statement was based
on an earlier report and that situation has been resolved in the present
proposal.
The Chairman invited applicant comment.
Mr. Gillum, representing the applicant, addressed the Commission. His
comments included the following:
--The developer hopes to provide affordable housing.
--The developer has spent a tremendous amount of time on the proposal
and the rules have been continually changed.
--The developer has met repeatedly with the Service Authority officials
and received a letter from Mr. Brendt, dated August, 1985, which
stated that sewer service could be provided without difficulty
for "lower density residential development" (excluding industrial and
commercial development).
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(In response to Mr. Bowerman's question, Mr. Gillum stated he
felt lower density development referred to single-family
detached rather than multi -family.)
--The PUD was approved by the Board of Supervisors with a condition
that the water situation would have to be resolved before the indus-
trial, commercial or multi -family could be built. However, it
was the developer's understanding, even at that time, and it was the
Service Authority's good faith intention, that the development
for the single-family detached could proceed on the basis of what's
available.
--A hand-written note appears on a former plat, from the former Fire
Prevention Officer, which states, "I will require a flow of 500 gpm
at 20 lbs. residual at all hydrants in this subdivision."
The developer proceeded on the basis of that.
--Regarding the urban vs. rural cross section, the urban design is
much more expensive not only to construct in the beginning, but also
to maintain. Making Mill Creek Drive an urban design will add $1,400
per lot if apportioned for the entire development, or $3,000 to $4,000
per lot if apportioned among only the lots in this phase.
--Mr. Gillum stated he does not feel there is any public purpose to be
gained by requiring an urban cross section for Mill Creek Drive.
--If the Commission should require an urban design for Mill Creek Drive,
Mr. Gillum asked that the developer, at the time of final review,
be given the option of not having any lots access onto Mill Creek Drive
so that a "rural profile" can be used (as suggested by staff).
--Regarding condition 1.i.2. (Grades on driveways not to exceed 20%. All
driveways with slopes in excess of 7% shall be paved), Mr. Gillum
questioned whether there was any basis in the Ordinance for such
a requirement. He asked that if the Commission approved that condition,
the developer would like to "have an agreement as to the timing
of the paving of such driveways."
--Regarding condition 2. (Public roads in this phase shall be dedicated
and brought into the Secondary System prior to an approval for any
other phase of development within this Planned Unit Development.), he
stated that Mr.Horne had agreed that that recommendation would be
changed to provide that they would be brought in within a year after a
substantial completion of a section. He stated, "We agreed that within
one year after 80% of a given section has been built out, one other
section could be approved, but not a third section, until after the
first section roads had actually been accepted."
--Regarding water pressure, the test results are inconclusive and vary
depending on the time of day and the location of the measurement.
--He pointed out that the Fire Officer had stated that the fire flow
"is not a requirement, but is simply a recommendation."
--It was determined the proposed houses would be in the high 60's to
low 70's range, approximately 1,200 square feet.
--Regarding the density, Mr. Gillum stated the Board of Supervisors
felt that 200 single-family residential units could be served with
the existing water. Mr. Horne pointed out that the 200 figure
was not actually a "conclusion" of the Board, but that it was the
number that was discussed as being the best estimate at that time.
--Mr. Gillum agreed that the fire flow was not adequate for commercial
development.
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--Mr. Gillum indicated his concern about a lack of consistency and
definite guidelines in regard to frontage requirements and road
design.
--Mr. Gillum discussed the costs involved in road maintenance.
Mr. Craig, the developer, addressed the Commission. He pointed out that Hollymead
has a much higher traffic count than is expected for this development, but
has rural design roads. He discussed briefly the factors involved in determining
the costs of lots and the costs of houses. He indicated he felt the
County should be consistent in its requirements in regards to entrances
on roads. He stated, "It is inconceivable to me that the County would
require me to do one thing and somebody else to do another and to do
so encourages folks to go out and build on rural roads because they
can't afford to buy a house in an area where we've got to build new roads."
The Chairman invited public comment. There being none, the matter was placed
before the Commission.
Mr. Cogan asked Mr. Benish to explain why staff would accept a rural cross section
for Mill Creek Drive provided no lots enter onto that road, i.e. what is the
disadvantage to having lots enter onto a rural -designed road. Mr. Benish
explained that having lots access onto the road means that on -street parking
would occur and have to be accommodated, which would effect the traffic
flow and would also increase the frequency and expense of maintenance
since pulling on and off the road causes the shoulders and edges to deteriorate
more rapidly.
Regarding the water flow question, Mr. Bowerman stated he felt it was
NNW regrettable that the position of the County has changed since the
approval of the PUD by the Board, but he felt the Commission could
not deviate from the requirements of the Fire Official and could
not lower the requirement.
Mr. Cogan stated he felt the best alternative was to build on every other
lot until adequate flow is obtained.
Addressing Ms. Diehl's concern as to how condition l.c. (County Engineer
approval of building on slopes in excess of 25%.) is implemented, Mr.
Benish explained that the developer must submit individual site plans for
each lot and is bound by those site plans. It was determined the lots are
evaluated before grading occurs and it is the responsibility of the
developer to see that the County Engineer has that information.
Regarding condition l.h. (VDH&T approval of commercial entrance as
outlined in their letter to Mr. David Benish, dated July 23, 1986), it
was determined a left -turn lane will be required, into the site, and
a right decel land.
In response to Mr. Bowerman's suggestion that condition 1.i.2 (Grades
on driveways not to exceed 20%. All driveways with slopes in excess of 7%
shall be paved) be tied in with condition 2. (Public roads in this phase
shall be dedicated and brought into the Secondary System prior to an approval
for any other phase of development within this Planned Unit Development.)
and required "within one year after 80% of a phase is complete," Mr.
Horne stated, "I don't think a year after 80% is an appropriate point
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for the paving of the driveways. It think it needs to be less lengthy a
time period. I would suggest, instead of us resolving that matter here
tonight, you leave it like it is and when it comes back for final plat
approval, we will have worked out with the developer an agreeable
schedule that is economically viable and (satisfies) us." This was
agreeable to the Commission.
It was determined condition 2. would be handled in this same manner.
It was determined condition No. 3 (Administrative approval of the final
plat) would be deleted.
Mr. Michel asked Mr. Benish to elaborate on his statement that the
urban cross section has been required in several other developments.
Mr. Benish responded, "As far as we can determine, it has been general
policy in the urban areas that the urban cross section is the rule. We
very seldom deviate from this." Mr. Horne gave the following examples:
Willoughby, Raintree, Willow Lake, Minor Hill. Mr. Horne added:
"What needs to be clarified here is there is no stated policy. I think
that's apparent from tonight's discussion. There is nothing in the
Ordinance that says precisely when it's done. There is no adopted
Planning Commission or Board policy on this. We're saying 'It has been
the general rule.' If there is something that has been a deviation from
what you've normally done, it's the staff recommendation that any of
them be rural. That's a deviation from what has taken place in most
situations."
Mr. Gillum pointed out that the subdivisions listed by Mr. Horne have
much narrower lots. He added, "What we're all asking is that there be
some definition of what the break point would be." He stressed that
the current proposal has significantly larger lots than Willoughby.
Mr. Cogan stated he could see very little advantage to an urban cross
section. He felt they were unattractive and did not fit into a
low density residential community, and they were expensive to maintain.
He stated the only possible advantage was a wider pavement in the event
a car might occasionally park alongside the road. Even in that case,
he felt it was very unlikely that a rural cross section road could be blocked
by cars parking on the road. He felt the advantages of a rural cross
section were as follows: Less run-off; more attractive; more aesthetically
compatible with the community; savings to the homeowners both in terms of
initial costs and in maintenance costs. He felt the provision requiring
double -width driveways would address the issue of parking alongside the
road.
Mr. Michel agreed with Mr. Cogan, but added that he felt it was important
that a "break point" be established. He and Mr. Cogan felt the
determining factors in establishing a "break point" are lot frontage and
density.
Mr. Benish stated that the break point between lot widths is only one
aspect of the issue. He felt the total length of the road and traffic
generation must be considered along with the number of lots which will
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access onto the road.
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Ms. Diehl was concerned about on -street parking and pointed out that many
houses might have more than two automobiles. Mr. Bowerman pointed out
that even in the case of on -street parking, the cars would still not be
on the pavement, but would be on the shoulder, thus the road would not
be blocked. Mr. Horne pointed out, however, that with only 5-6 foot
shoulders, a portion of the car would be on the pavement.
It was determined staff was recommending that Mill Creek Drive be an
urban section for its entire length.
Mr. Bowerman stated he would support Mr. Cogan and Mr. Michel's position
for a rural cross section. He was concerned that requiring a urban
cross section would preclude the developer from carrying out his plan
to provide affordable -priced housing. He felt this consideration was
more important that what would be lost by allowing a rural cross section.
He did not think parking on the shoulders would be a problem.
Mr. Cogan suggested that between now and the final plat, staff could
devise some formulas for minimum lot width and distance between
driveways.
It was suggested that it would be preferable to defer the item to
allow the applicant time to work with staff to address the issue
of lot widths and distances between driveways. Mr. Horne did not think
it would be possible to make this determination within a time frame that
would be acceptable to the applicant. He felt there were more issues
involved than lot width, including grade, etc., and this would require
some study by staff. He asked that the Commission simply make the
determination between urban vs. rural.
Mr. Gillum indicated he agreed with Mr. Horne. He stated the applicant
would be willing to accept as a condition "a minimum of 200 feet between driveways
entering onto Mill Creek Drive." He confirmed he was referring to joint
driveways, 200 feet apart.
Mr. Gould indicated he was concerned about "pushing the problem into the
future" and though he was sympathetic to the developer's intention, he
would not support a rural design for Mill Creek Drive.
Mr. Stark indicated he would support the rural design, in view of the fact
that Avon Street is a rural design.
Mr. Cogan stated he felt the applicant was aware of the Commission's
concerns and he added that he would be in favor of a "turnaround" on
the lots so that cars would not have to back out into road.
Mr. Cogan moved that the Mill Creek PUD, Phase I, Preliminary Plat be
approved, subject to the following conditions:
1. The final plat will not be signed until the following conditions are met:
a. County Engineer approval of public road and drainage plans and
computations. All roads to be built as rural cross sections.
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b. County Engineer approval of stormwater detention plans and compu-
tations.
C. County Engineer approval of building on slopes in excess of 25%.
d. Issuance of an erosion control permit.
e. Virginia Department of Highways and Transportation approval of road
and drainage plans and computations.
f. Albemarle County Service Authority approval of final water and sewer
plans.
g. Fire Officer final approval of fire flows for this phase of development.
h. Virginia Department of Highways and Transportation approval of commercial
entrance as outlined in their letter to Mr. David Benish, dated
July 23, 1986.
i. The following to be noted on final plat:
1. All. driveways to be constructed to accommodate two cars parked
side -by -side;
2. Grades on driveways not to exceed 20%. All driveways with
slopes in excess of 7% shall be paved;
3. Drainage ditches along roads to be constructed to Virginia
Department of Highways and Transportation standards;
4. Maximum slope of 4 to 1 for drainage easement on lots 30
through 34.
2. Public roads in this phase shall be dedicated and brought into the Secondary
System prior to an approval for any other phase of development within this
Planned Unit Development.
Mr. Michel seconded the motion.
The motion for approval passed (4:2) with Commissioners Diehl and Gould
casting the dissenting votes.
Both Ms. Diehl and Mr. Gould asked that the record show that they voted
against the proposal because of the roads.
City of Charlottesville Public Works Center Site Plan - This is a proposal to
locate parking for school and transit buses. The site will also be used for
general storage. A total of 50 bus parking spaces and 27 auto parking
spaces are to be provided (a total of 124,000 square feet of paved area). A
3,000 square foot building will also be provided. Total area of the property
is 51.182 acres. The property is located on the east side of Avon Street
Extended between I-64 and the Moore's Creek Bridge. Zoned LI, Light
Industrial. Tax Map 77E(1), parcel 1. Scottsville Magisterial District.
Mr. Benish gave the staff report. The report included the following:
"Staff has requested that the applicant not only reserve,
but dedicate this right-of-way to public use at such time as it is de-
termined by the County that a public road is needed at this location. The
request was made in an effort to establish a right-of-way for the
proposed Rt. 742-Rt. 20 connector road in this area. The applicant,
however, has been unwilling to agree to any dedication. Staff has
recommended that a connector road be constructed between Avon Street
and Rt. 20 in order to provide this area with a more direct
access to I-64 and, ultimately, to relieve industrial traffic on city
streets. One alternative location for this property traverses this
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property and was determined by the County Engineer to be
the most desirable, but has not been adopted by the Board of
Supervisors. The County Attorney has determined that until the
option is adopted by the Board, it has no legal standing. There-
fore, dedication cannot be required as part of the approval of this ap-
plication. ... The applicant's current unwillingness to provide
for dedication of a roadway in this location limits the
possibility of a public road being established."
The report also stated:
"With the applicant's refusal to provide a public road to serve this site,
a waiver from the private road regulations must be granted in order to allow
a second access to a public road (Avon Street). This second access will
be designed with one-way flow for exits only, as required by
VDH&T. Staff recommends approval of this waiver request."
Mr. Cogan asked if the Ordinance required an engineer's report since
hazardous materials would be stored. Mr. Benish responded that staff
had determined that none of the materials to be stored would require
such a report. However, if at some later time other materials are
added, the applicant would be subject to submitting an amendment to the
site plan. Mr. Payne pointed out that was the reason for condition 3.
(Materials to be stored on the site shall be limited to those specified
in letter from Cloeckner, Lincoln, and Osborne, dated August 4, 1986....).
In response to Ms. Diehl's question about the reservation of right-of-way,
Mr. Benish stated, "They've met all the requirements that we can impose
on them at this time. Our recommendation was to get dedication to
allow a public road to be put in at some point in time.'Mr. Benish
confirmed, as pointed out by Mr. Bowerman, that it does not preclude
dedication being made at some future time.
The Chairman invited applicant comment.
Mr. Mark Osborne, representing the applicant, addressed the Commission.
His comments included the following:
--This will be primarily a school bus parking facility.
--The applicant agrees to the conditions of approval including the
change to condition 5.
--The applicant will willingly provide landscaping along I-64 as
determined by staff and permitted by the Highway Department.
Ms. Judith Mueller, representing the City of Charlottesville, addressed the
Commission. She explained the process the City has followed with this
application. She stated the City has considered 29 sites in both the City
and the County and this site was finally chosen because of its size and
the fact that it has some future options, including the possibility of
moving other public works functions to the site. She assured the
Commission that the site would be well landscaped in consideration of the
surrounding residential neighborhoods.
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The Chairman invited public comment.
Mr. Roosevelt, representing the Highway Department, addressed the
Commission. Regarding the issue of screening from the interstate
highway, he stated, "I don't believe you should consider the interstate as
a location for screening this site. It runs contrary to both federal and
state policy concerning the use of the interstate. I don't believe
that the interstate right-of-way would be available for that purpose."
Mr.James King addressed the Commission and asked that the Commission
approve the application. (Mr. King was a city resident.)
Mr. Floyd Artrip, a County resident, addressed the Commission. He was
concerned about current traffic problems in the County and felt that the
I-64 access issue was vital and should be a main consideration when
deciding upon this request. He was concerned about the limited LI
property in the County being used for this purpose. He asked that this
applicant be subjected to the same requirements as every private citizen
in the County. He felt that the applicant should be required to submit a
Certified Engineer's letter which addresses not only hazardous substance
storage, but also requires that certain standards must be met.
He asked that the Commission defer the item until the Board of Supervisors
has approved the connector road as described by staff.
There being no further comment, the matter was placed before the Commission.
In response to Ms. Diehl's question, Mr. Benish confirmed that an
Engineer's report would address various performance standards in
addition to hazardous substance storage. He indicated that, because of
the nature of the proposal, staff felt it "almost not an industrial
use." He stated staff felt the items which would be stored on the
site would not be a detriment to the area. In response to Ms. Diehl's
question, he stated salt would not be stored on the site (as suggested
by Mr. Artrip).
Mr. Horne explained that staff felt an engineer's report was not
necessary in this case, but he confirmed that, as suggested by Mr. Artrip,
a strict reading of the Ordinance would require such a report. He
stated that the Commission would be within its rights to require such
a report.
In light of Mr. Roosevelt's comments, Mr. Michel asked Mr. Osborne
if the applicant had any alternative plans for screening. Mr. Osborne
responded negatively and explained that the plan was for a line of trees
immediately adjacent to the storage area. He agreed with Mr. Artrip's
statement that because of the difference in elevation it would be
some time before any plantings would provide effective screening.
Mr. Benish added that there were not many possible locations for screening
which would really do much good. He stated it was included in the staff
report simply to show the applicant's intent to provide screening from
I-64, where possible.
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Mr. Michel asked if it would be possible to require dedication of the
right-of-way at some future time when a site plan for a new use might
be submitted. Mr. Horne responded that the County Attorney feels
that dedication could not necessarily be required. Mr. Payne added,
"It depends on what the use is and the extent to which that justifies
a public road. It is conceivable that it could, but I don't think you
can say categorically that any further development will justify it."
Mr. Payne added, "I think this case illustrates, again, what the staff
has told you on a number of occasions, i.e. if you think there ought
to be a public facility of some sort, whatever it is, a road or a
park or whatever, you better put it in the plan, because if you don't
you're not going to get it."
Mr. Cogan asked if this proposal, as presented, could preclude that
connector road from ever being built. Mr. Horne responded negatively.
He stated, "Physically, the site plan makes provisions for a roadway."
Mr. Cogan restated his question and asked, "Assuming that decision
(for the roadway and a particular alignment), do we still have legal
access to that alignment, without condemnation?" Mr. Payne responded,
"Under these circumstances, no. If there is further development that
occasions it, potentially, yes." Mr. Payne stressed, "What I think
is important is if that decision is not made and a potential developer
wants to put a building in what is shown as that reserved right-of-way,
you are out of luck."
Mr. Gould asked for an explanation as to why the applicant is unwilling
to dedicate the right-of-way.
A representative of the City responded, "We are not anxious to have a 60 to
80 foot public right of way running through that property with no known use
for it." He stated that it is felt that the proposed road will be very
expensive and difficult to build and may be many years in the future. He
added, "We are willing to reserve the space. It will be available. We don't
propose to build on it in any sort of way and I am sure at such time as the
County is ready to build something there the City will be quite willing to work
with the County to work something out."
Mr. Horne clarified that what was Tequested of the City was not for actual
dedication at this time, but for a voluntary agreement that at such time
as the County acquired all other rights -of -way, off this site, and has
a funding source to actually construct a roadway, at that time, if the
Board of Supervisors requests dedications, we are asking for voluntary
agreement at this point that they would, in fact, dedicate under those
circumstances." He stated they are not being requested to dedicate the right-
of-way at this time.
Mr. Horne confirmed that that voluntary agreement was what the City chose
not to participate in.
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It was determined a Certified Engineer's Report would be required.
Mr. Cogan moved that the City of Charlottesville Public Works Center Site
Plan be approved subject to the following conditions:
1. A building permit will not be issued until the following conditions are
met:
a. Virginia Department of Highways and Transportation approval of
commercial entrances as per letters from the Highway Department,
dated March 5, 1986 and July 23, 1986.
b. County Engineer approval of grading and drainage plans and
computations.
c. County Engineer approval of stormwater detention plans and
computations.
d. Issuance of an erosion control permit.
e. Albemarle County Service Authority approval of final water and
sewer plans.
f. Extension of sewer easement as required by the Albemarle County
Service Authority.
g. County Fire Officer final approval of site plan for fuel storage vent
location and fire flows.
h. Planning Staff approval of landscape plan.
i. Applicant to submit Certified Engineer's Report in compliance with
Section 26.7 of the Albemarle County Zoning Code.
2. Materials shall be stored only in areas designated as storage areas on
the site plan.
3. Materials to be stored on the site shall be limited to those specified
in letter from Gloeckner, Lincoln, and Osborne, dated August 4, 1986.
Quantities of vehicles and equipment to be limited by available parking
spaces.
4. Waiver of 18-35(d) 4 of the private road requirements.
5. Grading or fill activity within the 60-foot reserved right-of-way shall be at
or below grades necessary for future construction of a roadway to Virginia
Department of Highways and Transportation standards. The compaction of any
fill material shall meet Virginia Department of Highways and Transportation
standards for road construction.
Mr. Stark seconded the motion which passed unanimously.
WORK SESSION
Comprehensive Plan - A continuation of review of background information
presented by staff.
Mr. Cilimberg presented a memo in which staff recommended an approach for
handling a public survey. Staff recommended a "random -sample survey" which
would be mailed to 2,000 county residents with the hope of receiving
1,000 completed surveys back. He explained that the staff anticipates
four types of questions on the survey:
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(1) Ask people to respond to a set of
(2) Ask opinions or rating of public
including a question about paying
(3) A ranking of priority issues.
(4) General opinion question.
issue questions (YES, NO, T/F).
services and facilities
for improvements to services.
The survey will be limited to the front and back of one sheet. The time
frame anticipated is 11-14 weeks with a report back to the Commission
in November or December. Cost is estimated at $1,075 and funds will
have to be approved by the Board. Mr. Cilimberg stressed that this
would be a very labor intensive project to the staff and could effect the overall
timeframe of the Comp Plan review.
Mr. Cogan suggested that the project be advertised so that anyone interested
could fill out a survey. Mr. Cilimberg confirmed that this was possible
but stated that those results would have to be tabulated separately.
Mr. Gould indicated he was concerned about the project and questioned
xiie ftr any information would be uncovered which was not already known.
He was very skeptical that 50% would actually be returned. Mr. Michel
shared Mr. Gould's concerns.
It was felt "Yes -No" type questions would be of little value unless they
were written in such a way as to make their tabulation meaningful.
Since there were concerns about the project, it was decided staff would compile
examples of questions and submit them to the Commission before a final
decision to proceed with the survey is made.
A member of the public suggested that the surveys be distributed at
Commission work sessions to those members of the public who were
interested enough to attend the meetings. He felt this would produce
better results than a random mailing. (The person making this suggestion
was Mr. Francis Fife.)
Mr. Cilimberg continued the review of the background information. He was
assisted by Ms. Trisha Nielson.
Significant concerns and comments included the following:
--Mr. Bowerman felt that retired persons were a basic industry in the
County and ask that staff gather some statistics on this segment of
the population.
--Regarding the median family income ($33,464), Mr. Horne pointed out
that this figure is skewed somewhat because of the high
percentage of persons in Albemarle County with "non -wage" income.
--Mr. Bowerman asked Mr. Horne to check on the balance owed on
Literary Loans,(i.e. the indebtedness of the County).
No formal actions were taken at this meeting.
There being no further business, the meetin journ at 11:15 .m.
John Horne, Secretary
Recorded by: Janet Miller
Transcribed by: Deloris Sessoms
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