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The Albemarle County Planning Commission held a worksession on Tuesday, February 4, 2003
at 4:00 p.m., at the County Office Building, Room 235, 401 McIntire Road, Charlottesville,
Virginia. Members attending were William Rieley, Chairman; Rodney Thomas; Bill Edgerton;
Pete Craddock; William Finley; and Tracey Hopper, Vice -Chairman. Absent from the meeting was
Jared Loewenstein.
Other officials present were Wayne Cilimberg, Director of Planning & Community Development;
David Benish, Chief of Planning & Community Development; Greg Kamptner, Assistant County
Attorney; Joan McDowell, Senior Planner; Steven Biel, Senior Planner and Michael Barnes,
Senior Planner.
Mr. Rieley called the meeting to order at 4:14 p.m. and established a quorum. He asked that they
begin with the worksession on the Mountain Protection Ordinance.
4:00 P.M. MEETING ROOM # 235:
4:00 — 5:00 Worksession: Mountain Protection Ordinance — Provide overview of the proposed
ordinance (David Benish).
Mr. Craddock arrived at 4:20 p.m.
Greg Kamptner and David Benish presented an overview of the proposed Mountain Protection
Ordinance and the proposed schedule.
6:00 — 5:30 Worksession - Community Facilities Plan — Discussion of update of Community
Facilities Plan (David Benish).
Mr. Benish passed out the Community Facilities Plan and provided an overview to the Planning
Commission. He noted that another worksession was scheduled for February 181h. He
suggested that they review the materials starting with Attachment A before the next worksession.
The meeting adjourned at 5:15 p.m. for a dinner break.
The meeting reconvened at 6:00 p.m. for the regular meeting in the auditorium.
The Albemarle County Planning Commission held a meeting and a public hearing on Tuesday,
February 4, 2003 at 6:00 p.m., at the County Office Building Auditorium, Second Floor, 401
McIntire Road, Charlottesville, Virginia. Members attending were William Rieley, Chairman;
Rodney Thomas; Tracey Hopper, Vice -Chairman; Bill Edgerton; William Finley and Pete
Craddock. Absent from the meeting was Jared Loewenstein.
Other officials present were Wayne Cilimberg, Director of Planning & Community Development;
Yadira Amarante, Planner; Margaret Doherty, Senior Planner; and Greg Kamptner, Assistant
County Attorney.
Call to Order and Establish Quorum:
Mr. Rieley called the regular meeting to order at 6:10 p.m.
Other Matters Not Listed on the Agenda from the Public:
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Mr. Rieley invited comment from the public on other matters not listed on the agenda. There
being none, the meeting proceeded.
Consent Agenda:
Approval of Planning Commission Minutes — November 26, 2002, December 3, 2002 and
December 10, 2002.
Mr. Thomas made a motion to approve the minutes of November 26, 2002, December 3, 2002
and December 10, 2002 on the consent agenda.
Mr. Finley seconded the motion.
The motion carried unanimously (6:0). (Loewenstein absent)
Items Requesting Deferral:
SP-02-063 CVS Pharmacy, Store #1554 Drive —In Window (Sign #85) — Request for special
use permit to allow a drive-in window to serve a retail pharmacy in accordance with Section
22.2.2.10 of the Zoning Ordinance which allows for drive-in windows serving or associated with
permitted uses. The site plan application has been submitted to support this request, please see
SDP-02-114. The property, described as Tax Map 32, Parcels 41A and 41D1, contains 1.85
acres, and is located in the Rivanna Magisterial District on US Route 29 north across the street
from the Timberwood Parkway intersection. The property is zoned C-1, Commercial. The
Comprehensive Plan designates this property as Regional Service in the Hollymead Community.
(Margaret Doherty) APPLICANT REQUESTS INDEFINITE DEFERRAL.
AND
SDP-02-114 CVS Pharmacy, Store #1554 Preliminary Site Plan — Request for preliminary site
plan approval for 11,516 square foot retail pharmacy, with a drive-in window (see Special Permit
Request #SP-02-63) on 1.85 acres zoned C-1 Commercial (Margaret Doherty) APPLICANT
REQUESTS INDEFINITE DEFFERAL.
Ms. Hopper moved to accept the applicant's request for indefinite deferral of SP-02-063, CVS
Pharmacy, Store #1554 Drive -In Window.
Mr. Edgerton seconded the motion.
The motion was unanimously (6:0) approved. (Loewenstein absent)
Ms. Hopper moved to accept the applicant's request for indefinite deferral of SDP-02-114, CVS
Pharmacy, Store #1554 Preliminary Site Plan.
Mr. Finley seconded the motion.
The motion was unanimously (6:0) approved. (Loewenstein absent)
Regular Item:
S_DP-2002-128 Faulconer Construction Office and Shop Preliminary Site Plan — Request for
preliminary site plan approval for a construction office, shop, and storage buildings, 35,044
square feet, on 27.37 acres zoned LI, Light Industrial. The property, described as Tax Map 58,
Parcel 37 is located in the Samuel Miller Magisterial District on Rt. 738 (Morgantown Road)
approximately 1-1/8 miles west from the intersection of Morgantown Road and Route 250 at Ivy.
10aw The Comprehensive Plan designates this property as Rural Area 3. (Yadire Amarante)
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Mr. Rieley stated that he had been told that the microphones were for recording and not for
projecting. Therefore, they would do their best to speak loudly.
Ms. Amarante presented the staff report. (See the attached copy of the staff report.) The
applicant is requesting approval of a preliminary site plan to construct a contractor's office and
equipment storage yard on Morgantown Road or State Route 738 in Ivy. They are proposing to
construct a 15,500 square foot maintenance shop, three 4,320 square foot pole barns for storage,
one 3,032 square foot office building for an office and one 3,512 square foot office building. They
are not proposing the last mentioned office building right now, but it will be built at a later date as
part of Phase II of this development. Parcel 37, which is the parcel in question, is currently
vacant. It is a heavily wooded lot with several small streams flowing through it that drain into Ivy
Creek. It is located within a small industrial park that currently houses a child daycare center and
several commercial warehouse facilities. The area immediately surrounding the business park is
zoned Rural Areas. The neighbors are Virginia Murray Elementary School and several residential
parcels to the north of this particular parcel and to the west. Tonight the Commission needs to
take some type of action on the preliminary site plan as it is proposed. In order for the
Commission to make that finding, they will need to take action on three waivers requested by the
applicant. One of the waivers is a request to waive the provisions of the critical slopes which say
that no land disturbing activities in the County can take place on critical slopes of 25 percent or
more. The applicant is also requesting to waive two other sections of the Ordinance that deal with
curvilinear parking and one-way circulation in a parking area. Normally these actions can be
done administratively, but several abutting property owners have called this item up to the
Commission for your review and action. The Site Review Committee has reviewed the site plan
and all three waivers and recommends approval of the site plan and the three waivers to the
Planning Commission tonight.
Mr. Rieley thanked Ms. Amarante and asked if there were questions for staff at this juncture.
Mr. Edgerton stated that he would like to state for the record that there was some concern
because of his previous employment by Faulconer Construction on this site several years ago
that perhaps he should preclude himself from this. He pointed out that he checked with the
County Attorney and the Zoning Department and found that there was no reason to do that. He
stated that he did not have a conflict. He asked staff for clarification on page two of the staff
report where she stated that staff has cautiously determined that this proposal does not comply
with the Comprehensive Plan. He asked for clarification of that statement.
Ms. Amarante stated that she used the word cautiously because she was aware of the conditions
surrounding this project and did not want anybody to think that we could disapprove this site plan
because it was not in conformance with the Comp Plan. The truth of the matter is that the
property is currently zoned Light Industrial and this development does fit the definition of a
contractors office and equipment storage yard. She noted that some history might be important.
At one point back in the 70's when the County first adopted the first Comprehensive Plan; this
property was slated for industrial development at that time. She felt that led the Board of
Supervisors at that time to zone the property B-1 and ultimately LI because it was shown on the
Comprehensive Plan at that point as industrial property although our current Comprehensive Plan
has it for Rural Areas uses. The current Comp Plan for this property is for Rural Areas uses as
opposed to the 1970 through 1989 Comp Plan which showed it as being industrial property.
Mr. Rieley asked if there were other questions for staff. Before he opened the public hearing, he
asked Mr. Kamptner to review briefly the issues before the Commission. It will be instructive for
those speaking to us to know the perimeters of those issues.
Mr. Kamptner stated to follow up on Mr. Edgerton's question as to the consistency of this site plan
with the Comprehensive Plan. He stated that it was important to understand that the
,%WW Comprehensive Plan is a policy document that guides the County in legislative decisions such as
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rezoning and special use permits. On this property that decision was made at least twenty years
ago when the property was zoned LI. The decision that is in front of the Commission tonight is
not a legislative decision. It is what is considered a ministerial decision. That means that what
the Planning Commission's job is to look at the Zoning Ordinance and all of the requirements that
will apply to a site plan and decide whether or not the site plan meets all of those requirements. It
is simply applying the existing regulations to this particular site plan. There are also three waivers
that are before the Commission tonight. The waivers include the critical slope waiver, the
curvilinear parking and one-way circulation. These decisions are not policy decisions as to
whether or not any of the waivers should be granted. The Planning Commission has specific
criteria that they need to apply in deciding whether or not to grant those three waivers.
Mr. Rieley stated that before he opened the public hearing, he would explain how the system
works. He explained that the applicant would be allowed ten minutes to make a presentation.
After that anyone who would like to address this issue may do so. We have a sign-up sheet.
They will begin with the people that are signed up on the sign-up sheet. After they exhaust that
list, then anyone that wishes to address this issue may do so. We will stay as long as we need
to. Each person listed on the sign-up sheet will be allowed three minutes. After they exhaust the
list, then anyone left may speak. They will stay as long as they can. At the conclusion, the
applicant will be allowed five minutes for rebuttal. At the end of that time, the matter will then be
brought back to the Planning Commission for discussion and possible action. You will probably
encounter times during various presentations in which you will be attempted to applaud because
somebody is particularly eloquent in expressing views that you agree with. Please do not
applaud because it will only prolong the length of time that we are here. Quite often in the long
run it detracts from the dialogue and may even have an adverse effect. Thank you very much for
the last ten minutes because the group has been very quiet. That is your part. Our part is to
speak loudly. We will do our very best. He apologized that they did not have a sound system
that would make it possible for everybody to hear when they are speaking in conversational
tones. The Planning Commission will do our best to speak loudly. He asked for the public's help.
He opened the public hearing and asked if the applicant would like to speak to the Commission.
Richard Carter stated that he represented Faulconer Construction Company who was the
applicant. He stated as the Planner and the County Attorney have stated that they were here
tonight for preliminary site plan approval and action on three waivers. That is why we are here
and that is what he would speak to. When you are looking at critical slope waivers, you look at
the location of the disturbance to see if they can minimize the effect of the development. He
asked that they review the site plan which was located in their packets. He asked why they have
the disturbance of the critical slopes and where are they located? The location of the disturbance
was mainly where the entrance road crosses the two streams and then as the road to the shop
crosses the stream. Most of the disturbance of the critical slope is where the road crosses the
streams. When looking for the justification of the critical slope waiver, he would call their attention
to Attachment F that is a letter from Brent Nelson, of Roudabush, Gale and Associates. That
letter addressing the things that we look at and the test that they try to look at in looking at
whether to grant the critical slope waivers. For instance, the standard for critical slope waivers is
Section 4.2 of the Zoning Ordinance, which is to protect and conserve steep hillsides to prevent
potential soil erosion, sedimentation, water pollution and septic disposal problems. That is why
you don't want to mess around with critical slopes unless you have to. If you look at Attachment
F, it goes down the list. It lists soil erosion and how we address that. It lists sedimentation and
how we address that. It also lists excessive water runoff, protection of existing streams, loss of
aesthetic resources, encroachment into floodplains, and large-scale movement of soil and rock.
All of those things that are to be addressed in order to grant the critical slope waiver are
addressed in Attachment F. Here is what you do. If you find that the alternatives proposed by
the developer would satisfy the purposes of Section 4.2 to at least an equivalent degree, then you
may pass and grant the waiver. He asked that they look at what they want to do and see if they
have taken the proper procedures to keep them equivalent or at least equivalent to what they are
now. He stated that they believe in Attachment G that is done. He stated that the reason that he
said that was contained in Attachment I. Attachment I is the spin submission and comments from
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the County's Engineering Department. They don't necessarily believe what we say, but they
turned it over to their own Engineer's and asked if what we are saying is true. The Engineering
Department, on page 2 of their report, goes down the same things, the movement of soil and
rock, excessive stormwater runoff, siltation, loss of aesthetic resources, and septic effluent.
Every one of those things is included in the test that the Engineering Department and our private
engineers went through. He asked what they found. They found that the critical slopes that are
being disturbed are going to be at least equivalent to what they were, in regards to these items,
when the critical slopes are graded and disturbed. He called their attention to Attachment I in
which Engineering says the following, as to disturbance of critical slopes necessary to provide
reasonable access to the site that "there is no reasonable alternative location for alignment to
provide access to the usable portion of the site." So what have we done? They have had
Engineering review it. They have had staff review it. They have had the Site Development
Committee review it. They have had private engineers review it. The Engineering for the County
says that this is the only place that you can do this and reasonably use the site to have the
minimum disturbance. He pointed out that this was a by -right use that they wanted to use for this
purpose. In order to do that, there are critical slopes. What is the best procedure to use? Now
how about the amount of the disturbance. This site is 27.37 acres. The total critical slopes are
4.4 acres or 16 percent of the total site is in critical slopes mostly because it has these streams
running through it. Only 1.53 acres or 35 percent of the critical slopes will be disturbed. We have
27.37 acres in all and 1.53 acres will be disturbed with .63 acres being disturbed for driveway
construction. There are other critical slopes in here that is included in this. But they are not as
staff's review indicated as a concern because they were man-made. When Dettor, Edwards and
Morris owned this property, they were going to put in a new warehouse and graded the property.
He stated that maybe they did not need a permit, but noted that he was not sure. However, they
created critical slopes when they graded the property. The man-made critical slope is not part of
the open -space plan composite map. What are the protections that the County has to make sure
that we do what they say? He asked that they look at the conditions attached to the staff report.
There are eighteen conditions attached to the staff report. He believed that at least 9 of the
conditions refer to making sure that the ordinance is adhered to and that it will be at least to what
it is now. He commended them to conditions 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10. They have done what
they have to do to meet the ordinance. He asked for their consent to these waivers. When they
met early on with staff they were told to stay out of the stream buffers. They were told not to put
any development in these 100-foot stream buffers. In order to do that they need the curvilinear
parking and the one-way travel lane in front of the office. It was a better plan, but they could go
back and put them in the stream buffers. He pointed out that this was the best way to do it
because they thought it was good planning. He asked that the Commission approve the waivers.
He noted that he would be happy to answer any questions.
Mr. Rieley asked if there were any questions for Mr. Carter.
Mr. Thomas asked what the percentage was of critical slopes that were man-made. He asked if
the area in the drive way was the entire section.
Brent Nelson, representative of Roudabush & Gale, stated that there were some critical slopes
that they were crossing with the road and the stream crossing.
Mr. Carter stated that there were some man-made critical slopes under the shop.
Mr. Thomas asked what percentage of critical slope was man-made.
Mr. Nelson stated that he would have to look at it at his seat and get back with the Commission.
He noted that he could give them a percentage.
Mr. Rieley stated that he would summarize that for the people who could not hear. He reiterated
that Mr. Thomas asked Mr. Nelson the percentage of the critical slopes that was man-made. Mr.
*44wNelson said that he did not have the figures with him, but he could have them for us later. He
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stated that before they go on with the other speakers that the Commission would give Mr. Butler
time to adjust the microphones. He asked if there were other questions for Mr. Carter.
Mr. Rieley stated that they would begin with the first person on the list. He stated that each
person would be allowed three minutes.
Vincent Day, a Hydrogeologist/Principal of TrueNorth Environmental, LLC, stated that his
company has been retained by Ivy Community Associates to review environmental aspects of the
referenced site and associated site plan and to offer an opinion regarding the feasibility of the
development and to provide recommendations to help reduce environmental impacts to the
neighborhood and the community of Albemarle County. He noted that his first concern deals with
the groundwater. The adjacent residences are on ground water with individual wells. He noted
that he had provided a copy of his report earlier to the Commission. Concerning his
recommendation, he asked that the Commission base their decisions on information rather than
maybes. He recommended a hydrogeological assessment, an environmental assessment to
Little Ivy Creek and what the plans would do to remove or reduce the threat to it of human error.
He noted that on the site plan it indicated that the drainfield would be installed at 15 feet below
the surface of the ground. He asked to have that reviewed as well. He requested that the
Commission take the time to review his report. (A copy of Mr. Day's letter is attached.)
Tom Hutchinson, Professor at the University of Virginia, resident of "Hardendale", Ivy and
President of the Ivy Community Association, spoke against the approval of the site plan and the
waivers. He stated that when he first met Mr. Rieley at a meeting with Sally Thomas, that one of
the things that Mr. Rieley pointed out was that this committee has the discretion to be certain that
the following language is followed, "And to ensure that land use is in a manner that is efficient,
harmonious with the neighboring property and in accordance with the Comprehensive Plan and
the provisions of this chapter. This language comes from Chapter 18 of the Ordinance. He
asked Mr. Rieley if he was quoting him correctly in this matter.
Mr. Rieley stated that he was not certain since his recollection did not go back that far. He stated
that if he was quoting the Albemarle County Ordinance that he thought he was on firm ground.
Mr. Hutchinson presented a slide presentation to display the area in question. He noted that the
community was saying that the use does not blend with the neighborhood. He pointed out that
the Commission has the right to deny this proposal.
Mr. Rieley asked what the date was of the aerial photograph that he displayed?
Mr. Hutchinson stated that the date was around 1999.
Brian Wheeler, a resident of 89 Langford Place and PTO President at Murray Elementary, asked
that the waivers and preliminary site plan not be approved. He asked that the Commission retain
the authority for the final review of the site plan, should it go forward. The review of something of
this magnitude can't be delegated to staff before you have seen the certified engineer's report,
which may describe what Faulconer really has in mind for this site. He asked that the
Commission reject all of the applicant's waiver requests. He stated that they were very concerned
about their children's risks primarily about noise, water pollution and traffic. They were told by the
Zoning Administrator that, "Safety and environmental concerns are more appropriately
considered during the site plan review." He asked why this information was not available at the
preliminary site plan review. He stated, "The community would like to officially request that the
rest of the zoning ordinances not be waived." He stated that Faulconer's use is not compatible
with this site. (A copy of Mr. Wheeler's statement is attached.)
Jack Sanford, Jr., President of Faulconer Construction Company, stated that they were waiting
for the Certified Engineer's Report to address some of those issues.
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Chris Hyland, abutting landowner and Vice -President of the Ivy Community Association, stated,
"that over the past 17 months that the Ivy community has been struggling to make sense of the
1*01 development proposed by Faulconer Construction Company. We have made innumerable
requests to the applicant to sit down and converse with the community regarding his proposal.
To date none of Faulconer's representatives have accepted our offers and sat down with the
community to discuss their plan. Each and every community meeting has presented an
opportunity for the applicant to do this." "We, as a community, do not wish to deprive Mr. Sanford
of his right to develop the property he has purchased, it is the nature of the proposed
development that is in question." He questioned why there were so many unanswered questions
regarding the BMP, stormwater management plans, etc. which are integral to the impact of the
disturbance of the critical slopes at this phase. He voiced opposition to the approval of the
requests. (A copy of Mr. Hyland's letter is attached.)
Carrie Coulson stated that she was a resident of Ivy, mother to Sam, a second grader at Murray
Elementary, and to Lucy, my three year old, who is excited to be in her first year of preschool at
Millstone School. In addition, she was on the Board of the Grassmere Farm Homeowner's
Association and the treasurer of the Ivy Community Association. She urged the Commission not
to grant any of Faulconer's waiver requests. In her attached letter, she pointed out, "As a
member of the Planning Commission you have both the discretion and the obligation to deny
these requests. According to County Code, land is to be " ...used in a manner which is efficient,
harmonious with neighboring property and in accordance with the comprehensive plan."
(Chapter 18, section 32.1) "Faulconcer's proposed use of this property meets none of the
qualities of this ordinance. Planning staff's own determination is that "... this proposal does not
comply with the Comprehensive Plan." (Site review comments, page 2, subheading
Comprehensive Plan). She noted concerns with the traffic, water and the close proximity to the
school and daycare facility. (A copy of Mr. & Mrs. Coulson's letter is attached.) She asked that
the Commission deny Faulconer Construction's requests. She pointed out that the County has
an obligation to minimize the use. She stated that staff states that the storage of dynamite,
blasting caps and other explosives is prohibited on this site, but for their purposes the conditions
shall mean the existence of these materials on site for no more than four consecutive hours on
any one day. If staff is admitting that it is unsafe to have dynamite on the site or that it is not
zoned properly, then how is it determined that it is safe to store explosives provided that it is only
for four hours. She asked who would monitor the four-hour rule. She pointed out that the
transporting of these explosives would still occur on these narrow country roads.
Frank Buck, attorney with Buck, Toscano & Tereskerz, Ltd., stated that his company represents
Ivy Community Association and landowners adjoining the Faulconer site, Thomas and Colleen
Hutchinson and Christopher and Denise Hyland. He submitted a letter to be made part of the
record that includes a couple of affidavits of long time Ivy residents regarding grave sites that
exist on the property. (A copy of Mr. Buck's letter is attached.) He pointed out that other residents
would address the issue that this is a bad proposal that threatens the safety of school children,
endangers their water supply and adversely affects the Ivy Community. "In this letter I will set
forth the reasons why we believe that the Faulconer site plan approval should be denied or, at a
minimum, delayed until the County staff and Planning Commission members receive information
necessary to make a fully informed decision." He expressed concerns about various issues that
included the water supply being endangered. "In conclusion, the Commission can exercise its
authority for the benefit of the public safety and welfare, and for the benefit of our environment
and public drinking water, to only allow a development which is dramatically reduced in intensity
and scale. The proposed site plan calls for the maximum intense development of the site and as
such it is not entitled to Commission approval. As it is stated in subsection 32.1, "nothing herein
shall require the approval of any development, use or plan, which shall be found by the
Commission or agent to constitute a danger to the public health, safety or general welfare ..."
Brian Cohen stated that this was precisely the venue to consider all of the vital consequences
flowing from the floodgate this Commission opens as a result of your decisions. He felt that they
`` WK were well aware of the Code of Virginia's subsection regarding the purpose of Zoning
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Ordinances. It also parallels a section from Albemarle's Comprehensive Plan subsection
15.2.2.22, that says zoning ordinances shall be for the general services of promoting the health,
1%W safety or general welfare of the general public and to further accomplish the objectives of some
other subsection. Of course, you could tell me that it relates to such elements such as traffic,
schools, and water that are the very things that this community is worried about. Laws are not
created in a vacuum where you cannot hear a child's scream in an accident between a school
bus and an oversized construction vehicle. He stated that the quality of life under the
Commission's watch is always a consideration even at this hour and even during the brief life of
the rubber stamp. He urged them to consider the big picture of those global issues and deny the
critical slope waiver or refer the decision to the Board of Supervisors.
Pam Evans, parent of two children at Murray Elementary, stated that they live, bike, and walk on
Morgantown Road. This is the heart of their community. It is where they bring their children to
school and where they hold their annual 5K race. She noted that the placement of the heavy
industrial storage yard and repair shop would destroy not only the view, but also the current
usage of this road and the heart of this community. She stated that Faulconer's site would be
seen from three sides as you travel down Morgantown Road. She pointed out that the Millstone
Preschool would actually look down on this. The County has yet to explain what happened to the
four conditions put on the property which allowed Mr. Dettor to use it in the first place. These
conditions were put in place to protect our community. None of these conditions are currently
being enforced. She asked why the community should be forced to put up with this bargain. The
conditions were that the site would not be visible from Morgantown Road to protect the aesthetics
of the area. Faulconer will destroy the aesthetics of the area forever. The second condition was
that trucks would travel on a short route in and out from Route 250 west on Tillman Road to the
site and not in front of the school. The third condition was that a lovely little fishing pond and
recreation area would be put on the site, which is now the Faulconer site. The fourth condition
was that a 200-foot buffer on the west side would be kept in place to protect the community from
just this type of inappropriate use we are talking about. Amazingly all of the protections for the
community have disappeared. To top it off, the community has been asked to accept Faulconer's
use as fitting into a Light Industrial site. They have been playing a magic game with us regarding
all of the zoning ordinances. Since dynamite storage is not allowed in LI, the County says don't
worry it won't be stored there, but just kept for under four hours. She asked who would check
and monitor this. By granting the waivers, the Commission would allow Faulconer to overuse this
space and then to pull heavy construction vehicles out on this small country road right at the
school zone. She submitted a picture that showed her family walking to school. She noted that
the trucks would be pulling out in the road right at the school. She submitted a map, drawn by
her son who was sick at home, which showed him walking to school. There is also a picture
attached. (A copy of the map and picture are attached.)
Shaun Evans, abutting landowner to the Faulconer site and the proud parents of two children who
live on Morgantown Road and attend Murray Elementary School, requested that the Commission
deny the request for the three waivers. The subject property is located on the side of a hill with
which is traversed and bisected by two streams. From the western boundary to the eastern
boundary where a creek is located, the property's elevation drops at approximately 75 feet in a
distance ranging from approximately 400 to 500 feet. Even when the slope is not classified as
critical slope, there are still steep slopes that run towards the creek that feeds into Ivy Creek and
the public water supply. Development of the property as proposed by Faulconer can only be
permitted if we ignore the intent of the critical slope ordinance of protecting and preserving steep
hillsides together with public drinking water supplies which is quoted from the ordinance. If
Faulconer is allowed to disturb these critical slopes, level the land and redirect all of the run-off
and rain water, what happens to the three wells on properties to the north of the site of which the
wells are supplied by run-off water and ground water. Faulconer is now proposing to mitigate and
remove that from this plan. He asked that the Commission deny these waivers and protect his
drinking water. He stated that granting the critical slope for Phase II of the development only
allowed the applicant to maximize his return on his investment. The ordinance specifically
excludes the pecuniary interest of the developer as justification for the waiver. The damage to
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the critical slopes and stream buffers is compounded by Faulconer's request to cross the streams
not once but twice to gain access to the southern half of the property. He submitted that these
1%W waivers would be detrimental to the public health, safety and welfare, particularly to the adjacent
properties. He asked that the Commission deny the waiver requests. The applicant is trying to
maximize every square inch of the land that is not subject to stream buffers and setback lines.
He asked that the Commission deny the waivers so that they cannot fit onto this site. He stated
that Section 18.4.12.1 states that development proposals that seek to maximize building areas or
otherwise intensify development to the extent that these minimum regulations are not satisfied
shall be deemed contrary to the purpose of the ordinance. He asked that they retain the right for
approval of the final site plan because there was too much missing information to allow the rubber
stamp of an administrative approval.
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Garrick Louis, Assistant Professor of the Environmental Systems and Informational Engineering
at the University of Virginia and an Ivy resident, stated that his professional interest was in the
siting of environmentally sensitive facilities. In addition, he noted that he has a 2-Y2 year old son
who will be attending the Millstone Preschool, which is very close to the site in question.
Therefore, his interest in this was very personal. Due to the close proximity of the schools, he has
four areas of concern about this location, particularly if such use entails heavy diesel powered
machinery. The first concern is that the emissions from diesel engines are high in toxic matter.
These will compromise the air quality in the area surrounding the site and impose a potential
health risk to the development of the respiratory systems of the many young children adjacent to
this site. Secondly, the eventual spills and leaks of diesel fuel and petroleum based lubricants
can migrate into the ground water and contaminate the drinking water supply for the Millstone
School and the surrounding residences, all of which rely on well water for their drinking water
supply. Thirdly, the entrance and egress of heavy construction vehicles to and from the site onto
Morgantown Town will significantly interrupt and increase the risk of accidents with regular
vehicular and pedestrian traffic, particularly the children along that road. Fourthly, the noise
associated with the operation of heavy construction equipment will create a distracting nuisance
for the children at school and to the rest of the quiet residential community that lies near the site.
These four concerns could be addressed by a comprehensive and environmental impact
assessment of the proposed use of this site for Light Industrial activity. Such assessment would
first have to establish how the Light Industrial zoning is compatible with the use of heavy diesel
powered machinery at the site. It would have to demonstrate how the environmental control plan
for the construction and the operation of the site would prevent the air, ground water, traffic and
noise impacts that are the subjects of concern. The development and use of this site without
such assurances would be a grave disservice, not only to the residents of Morgantown Road but
to all of Albemarle County. This Commission would set a precedent that sets the desires of
property developers above the health and welfare of its most vulnerable citizens.
Audrey Nikiforov, stated that he was very concerned that the applicant has shown no regard at all
for the safety and health of the community in particular the people living on Morgantown Road
and the hundreds of school children that go there everyday. He stated that he was a neighbor
who lived in the Peacock Hill community. He stated that he was very concerned about the
introduction of diesel powered heavy industrial equipment and trucks which will create a serious
health hazard to the children attending Murray Elementary School and Millstone Preschool. He
stated that he was a PH.D toxicologist with almost 20 years of experience in evaluating the
impact of chemical exposures on human health. The heavy equipment and trucks that Faulconer
Construction Company plans to operate up and down Morgantown Road hundreds of times per
week will release high concentrations of diesel exhaust to the children of these schools and the
residents of Morgantown Road continuously. He summarized the impact of diesel exhaust on the
health and environment from an August 2002 issue of Environmental Health Perspectives (journal
of the U.S. National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences). (A copy of Mr. Nikiforov's
presentation is attached.) He asked if the potential for long-term and serious health effects to
these vulnerable populations was worth the risk or are there safer alternatives?
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Chase Stokes stated that he was seven years old and was a student at Murray Elementary
School. He presented a model of Morgantown Road. He stated that the road was 18 feet wide
and the red part was the road. He stated that he had a model of a school bus that he and his
friends ride to school that was 9 foot wide. When he puts the school bus on the road with the 892
excavator, that was 11 feet two inches wide, it showed that there was not enough room for both
of the vehicles. He asked that they consider the ability of everyone to be able to walk or drive to
school.
Angela Stokes, mother of Chase Stokes, asked that the four other children listed on the sign-up
sheet be allowed to be moved up on the list to speak.
Mr. Rieley stated that sounded like a reasonable request. He asked that they go ahead
Daniel Goldeen stated that he was a fifth grader at Murray Elementary School. He pointed out
that he was worried about the pollutants caused by the project and the overcrowding of
Morgantown Road. He stated that the cleaning agents kept at the site would include diesel fuel,
antifreeze, and cleaning agents. He tried to obtain a list of the actual chemicals that would be
stored on the site, but his email to Faulconer bounced back without a response. He asked how
much of the cleaning agents would run off when the trucks were cleaned. He asked what the run
off could do. The run off has the potential to go into two different creeks. He voiced concern with
the potential of harming the fish that live in those creeks, the cutting down of the trees for the
project and the endangering of the water and wildlife. After the recent drought, he felt that they
needed to be very careful about preserving their water. In addition, he felt that they need to be
careful about the air pollution created by the large equipment. He stated that children are more
prone to the effects of pollution because their bodies are still developing. He presented pictures
of the site that show how Faulconer stores their chemicals.
Kelly Abrams, fourth grade student at Murray Elementary School, stated that the noise from
Faulconer would bother her especially if she was taking a test. She stated that the noise from the
large trucks would be very distracting. She asked that they not allow Faulconer to go in and
affect their logo that Virginia L. Murray, a great place to learn.
Evelyn Stokes stated that she was a part of the Murray community. She stated that they were
concerned about Faulconer's proposal because it could be dangerous. The flag that they fly at
Murray is the American flag. Based on recent events, they know that flying the American flag is
important to this Planning Commission and she agrees with them. They know it stands for
justice, fairness, responsibilities and freedom for all, which they enjoy around the local area. A
flag that they do not fly at Murray is the Bangladesh flag. According to research Bangladesh is
known to have the worst contaminated water in the world. Many of the children and people in
Bangladesh are sick because of the poor water supply. Currently we don't have to worry about
this at Murray. But if warehousing and trucks are brought in that use chemicals, then the water
will be affected. They would like for their water to be kept clean. Another flag that they don't fly at
Murray is the Afghanistan flag. Afghanistan is known for having big issues with explosives that
hurt innocent children and people. The Murray community does not want to be like Afghanistan
and have loads of explosives coming down little Morgantown Road that could endanger the
students. Bus drivers from Murray and parents that pick their children up from school want to
continue not having problems with driving on Morgantown Road. Finally, our community does not
want the property to look like the scarred land in Brazil. We don't fly the flag of Brazil because we
want our mountains and forests of our area to be kept the way they are. We don't want the
tragedy of deforestation to happen. If Faulconer does move in, we will still fly the same American
flag, but the question is will it mean the same thing when we come to school each day? She did
not think that it would mean the same thing. The constitution says that there shall be safety for all
of the citizens. To allow Faulconer to come in and store all of the big trucks and dynamite will not
bring safety to students and they are part of all of the citizens. It would also change the beautiful
mountainous area into land that looks like a dump.
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,.► Abbey Wheeler stated that she was a fifth grader at Murray and will be talking about chemicals
that might get into Murray's water system. The chemicals used will be hydraulic fuel, engine oil,
transmission fluid and antifreeze. If you have been to the Faulconer site, you have seen that
these chemicals could easily seep through the ground. She presented a picture of the way they
already have them. (See the attached picture.) She voiced concerns about being able to get a
clean drink of water from the school since she has done research on this topic. She asked that
they consider the children of Murray Elementary School.
Robin Hammil-Ruth, resident of Morgantown Road for 8 '/2 years and a mother of six children,
stated that there were multiple concerns that she had about this project including the risk of water
contamination that has already been addressed. The relaxed interpretation of Light Industrial
was her main concern. She questioned what Heavy Industrial is if this does not fit that
description. The other concern was the definition of accessory use. If 6,500 square feet of this
was office space and more than 25,000 square feet was related to the ancillary or accessory use,
then she has to wonder whether this is truly accessory or not. The Planning Commission's
responsibility was to access the impact of the traffic leaving the industrial park even if you don't
have control over VDOT's preview. She stated that they need to access that. She expressed
significant concerns about the risk of traffic on this road. She asked that the Commission consider
the traffic hazards when they review the site plan.
Deborah Stockton stated that she has distributed a packet of information for the Commission's
review. She asked that they turn to Attachment A that was the staff report. She noted that
concerns from paragraph one would be addressed. When she first moved to Ivy the beautiful
picture previously shown was her first sight and that memory would remain forever. Those woods
are located on the Faulconer site and are among the least disturbed in Ivy and will be lost if the
critical slope waiver is granted. She stated that Faulconer's request was an abomination and she
would show how it was illegitimate. The staff report to the Planning Commission contains several
errors and omission critical to the history of this land. In particular the omission of a 200-foot
swath of land on the property that retains a RA zone. All of these things are attached. Paragraph
one asserts that on July 16, 1970, the Board of Supervisors, at the request of the owner, William
Dettor, rezoned 48 of his 60 acres from A-1 Agricultural to B-1 business, and 12 acres from A-1 to
RS-1, Residential. This, in fact, did not happen. The Board of Supervisors approved a partial
rezoning of the land, leaving approximately 30 acres of the western portion zoned A-1. (The
additional history is addressed in Ms. Stockton's presentation that is attached.) She questioned
the legality of how the 200-foot buffer could be eliminated by the Zoning Department. "When we
submitted a FOIA request to the Zoning Department, on December 31, 2002, asking for
documented proof, in the form of Board of Supervisor's minutes and ads for public notification, of
the change in zoning status of this 200 ft piece of A-1 land, the Zoning Administrator replied, "The
records sought in your December 31, 2002 do not exist, because the property described therein
was never rezoned from Rural Area (RA) to Light Industry (LI)." "Since, as we believe, the 200
foot swath of RA land still exists the entire site plan is in violation of the zoning ordinance." She
stated that she has been fighting this for the last 1-'/2 years and would continue to fight it with
every ounce of her being as we the people are asked to have something to say.
Kathryn Russell stated that as a taxpaying citizen of this county, she was very concerned about
the issues of precedence and liability on this. As a taxpayer, the County's oversight on this plan
and approval of this plan would be tragic in terms of the liability passed on to the taxpayer in the
event if a number of things may happen. With no coordinated plan addressing water quality,
stream buffer encroachment, run-off and erosion control and depletion of the water table,
especially considering the water crisis of this past summer, the County is assuming responsibility
for the damage of the local water supply as it runs out of the City of Charlottesville. The storage
of explosives has been declared a "by -right accessory use" by the zoning administrator, despite
strong language in the code to the contrary. (In the 1987 ZTA regarding this issue, upheld by a
*ftle Supreme Court decision, "by -right accessory use" in this case does not exist.) She questioned
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why they were even considering allowing explosives to be stored next to these schools,
especially after the 9/11 incident and the potential terror alerts. She noted that there was also the
issue of liability regarding the traffic safety. She stated that her taxes were high enough without
being increased to cover Faulconer. The County in ignoring the 200-foot buffer put in place by
the Board in 1975 is setting up taxpayers for another big hit down the road. Their own attorney
recognized existence of this strip. What has happened to the County's recognition of this buffer?
She questioned what Home Depot would do if the County approves these critical slopes. (A copy
of Ms. Russell's presentation is attached.)
Jim Willis stated that his wife owns Millstone Preschool that abuts the Light Industrial property
that they were talking about. In a meeting about 18 months ago before the Board of Zoning
Appeals on this same topic, Mr. Carter said that anyone who would have moved in or purchased
property in this area since 1970 really does not have much to say about this. It was zoned Light
Industrial, so just live with it. He disagreed with Mr. Carter. They bought their property in 1990
and the Light Industrial zoning was there. The property directly behind us was owned by Smith
Time. They made clocks. That property today is owned by Dave Mathews. As we know Dave
makes music. The next property over is a company that installs running surfaces at high schools.
Even the Dettor Edwards activity did not really disturb the community when it was in operation. It
was my understanding that a contractor's shop and storage yard can be located in Light Industrial
or Heavy Industrial. He felt that this use was more of a heavy industrial contractor's shop and
storage yard. At that same meeting, Sheriff Bailey, who was one of two out of five members who
voted against the Faulconer project, said that he could not vote for this because he had been
called to too many accidents at the Tillman Road and Morgantown Road entrances to Route 250.
He was talking about automobile accidents and not accidents involving the size of trucks that they
were discussing here. He noted that by the size of the audience, he felt that the Ivy Community
was saying that this use was not compatible with this property's zoning. They were urging the
Commission to please not grant these waivers and don't let this come into the Ivy community.
I*ftw Jack Taggart, resident of Ivy for 34 years, stated that he was an attorney by trade. He stated that
he called Albemarle County about his land and was told that because of the sensitive nature of
this property that the County would never allow anything of a higher use than was already there
with Dettor, Edwards and Morris. He was assured that he was not to worry about this. If this is
approved, I will hear every noise. He stated that he would hear the beeper noise every time a
piece of equipment was put into reverse. A waiver is asking you to forget the guidelines that are
set up. Instead of using the guidelines, they would just ignore them. Why are we waiving them?
They would waive them so that they could have a more intense use of the property. What does
that mean a more intense use? It means that the stream that he crosses everyday going home is
going to have pollutants. It is going to happen. You can't utilize that site that heavily without
cutting all of the trees off of it. It means that 350 children will everyday be exposed to dynamite.
Oh, it is just 4 hours. Well, tell that to the parents when that dynamite goes off one of these days
and one of those children are dead. You can say it is only 4 hours, they are protected. What
does it mean when there is an accident? You cannot get a truck and a car down Morgantown
Road together. He stated that he knew this because he travels the road 4 or 5 times per day. He
asked them to tell that to the first parent when one of these trucks hits somebody and kills them.
Oh well, that is not our responsibility. Yes, we approved a denser, more stressful use of the
property than what the planner said because we allowed waivers. He pointed out that those
rules were there for a reason and that the Commission needs to exercise their discretion. He
stated that to allow this use of this land to be even more concentrated by granting these waivers
would destroy their community and endanger their children.
Denise Hyland stated that she and her husband were abutting landowners to the Faulconer
property. When they were buying this property 7 years ago, they were promised by County staff
when they inquired about the potential development of the Light Industrial park that nothing more
intensive than what existed there could ever go in. Based on that promise, they bought the
property and have been restoring their 19 acres that had been neglected for many years. The
„AV, circumstance around the rezoning in 1970 was morally wrong in the first place because the
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petition of the local residents was reversed by an on record promise by Bill Dettor to build a lake
for them. For many in the neighborhood at that time, that meant food and recreation. She stated
that she would not go into the issue of race involved here. Why then would the County
government go out of their way by bending the rules and looking for loopholes to make way for
this heavy industrial operation on property that was virtually spot zoned in the first place? As you
should know by now, one of the glaring concerns is that the County staff removed the strip of RA
zone land that was explicitly retained by this body and the Board of Supervisors. If you actually
read the Board minutes, you will see that strip of land was proffered and not conditional to
warehouses. It also becomes perfectly clear that the intent of the Board members was simply for
the protection of the surrounding community. Considering that Faulconer has most of its
development within that 200 feet of protected land, it appears that this site plan is in fact illegal.
She believed that it was incumbent on this body to do your own careful research to find the truth.
It has been stated over and over that this is a by -right use. We all really know that is still very
much in question. While you say you are constrained by the determination of use, the
development of the land itself is within your jurisdiction. She hoped that each one of the
Commissioners have walked that land. She stated that if the waivers were granted, the hillside
that they look upon would change to heavy equipment storage and a maintenance facility with no
tree buffer that is hardly compatible with the rural setting that already exists. She asked that they
act with full consideration of the residents who live here. She stated that she has had many
sleepless nights over this, and you should too. She asked that they not grant these waivers.
Gregory G. Faust, resident of 340 Grassmere Road, stated that he has not choice but to use
Morgantown Road to get in and out of his property. He asked Mr. Thomas what the percentage
of critical slope that they actually intend to disturb is natural. He believed that the answer is 100
percent.
Mr. Thomas stated that he asked for man-made critical slopes.
hew Mr. Faust stated that the man-made part was not what they were disturbing for this waiver. The
waiver is 100 percent natural.
Mr. Rieley pointed out that the ground rules do not allow the public to have a dialogue with
individual people. He noted that he was free to say whatever he wanted to within his three
minutes.
Mr. Faust questioned whether the Commissioners have actually been on the site. He believed
that anyone with an ounce of common sense that has looked at Morgantown Road would know
that this proposal is strictly ridiculous. He questioned where the common sense would be applied
in this process.
Phil Marx, of Morgantown Road, stated that they have 3 children who attend school. He stated
that if they approve this request that they would be taking away from the residents their ability to
walk and run along Morgantown Road. He objected to the maximizing of this site since they were
aware of the industrial park when they moved here. Faulconer's proposal is not light industrial
and you should not consider approving any waiver that would result in more intense utilization of
the site. He asked the Commission not to bend the rules to accommodate this inappropriate use
in Ivy. He stated that Albemarle County has an obligation to its citizens and under State Code to
deny this plan and protect its citizens. He asked that they not allow Faulconer to run over their
rights or their children.
Carolyn O'Neal, Manager of Peacock Hill Service Company, stated that recently Governor Mark
Warner proposed water policy reform legislation designed to implement long-range water supply
planning for the first time in Virginia's history. Governor Warner also signed an Executive Order
39, which maximizes the state's existing resources for meeting the need for clean, safe drinking
water. The Initiative also sets a goal of cleaning 450 impaired streams in Virginia by 2010.
+► Albemarle County should embrace the Governor's initiative. However, the proposed approval of
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Faulconer Construction Company's site plan and waivers combined with the fact that a lawsuit
had to be brought to monitor and decontaminate the Ivy landfill forces the Peacock Hill Service
Company to question the County's commitment to clean, safe drinking water in Ivy. In Yadira
Amarante's report dated 2/4/03, she states "well water monitoring will not be part of the County's
review process." Peacock Hill Service Company spends thousands of dollars every year in water
testing for both organic and inorganic contaminants. Fortunately, our community of
approximately 150 houses can hold up under the cost. What of the homes, schools and small
businesses around the Faulconer Construction site. Who will monitor their water and bear the
costs? Will evidence of contamination be communicated to all Ivy residents? Will the County
provide water lines to the Ivy area to replace contaminated wells? This seems unlikely since (1)
Ivy is designated a "low -growth" area and (2) recent drought conditions suggest Albemarle
County cannot support current water use. These questions raise the issue of accountability.
Who is ultimately accountable for the health and safety of Albemarle county residents? The
Peacock Hill Service Company concludes that in approving Faulconer Construction Company's
request Albemarle County is forsaking its accountability to the Ivy Community. (A copy of Ms.
O'Neal's presentation is attached.)
Mr. Rieley asked Kimi Jorchens to speak next. He acknowledged that Ms. Jorchens stepped out.
He asked that the next speaker Gary Hatter come forward to speak.
Gary Hatter stated that he moved back to this area two years ago with his children to start a new
adventure. He pointed out that two of their joys include the schools and the surroundings of their
neighborhood. He stated that the quality of life and the beauty of the area was extraordinary,
particularly the trip to Murray School from their Peacock Hill home. He asked that they not move
forward without considering the big picture. He asked that they consider these three guiding
principles: common sense, community and conscious. He asked that they do the right thing and
deny the request.
Chris Baumer, resident of Grassmere Farms, stated that the technical issues have already been
discussed particularly by Debbie Stockton who pointed out that this hearing should not be
happening since it was based on bogus premises. He stated that the Planning Department's
mission reads to promote the public's diverse interest as represented in the Albemarle County
Comprehensive Plan and related policy documents for the equitable administration of ordinances,
regulations and planning practices. When he moved to the Ivy area two years ago he felt that it
was rural areas with a business park. He felt that Faulconer's use did not fit into a business park.
He voiced concerns with the noise that would be created by Faulconer.
Tim McLaughlin, husband, father and resident of the Ivy community area, read his presentation
against the Faulconer proposal. (A copy of Mr. McLaughlin's presentation is attached.) In
summary, he stated that, 18 years ago in the same Ivy Business Park, a local company
proposed a use for this property that concerned the community called Unogen. Unogen wanted to
put a small lab on that site. The local community had concerns regarding safety, water pollution,
and the fact there was a public elementary school next door. At that time your experts and
community's experts all lined up to cite reasons why this was not a good idea. The local fire chief
was concerned about having sufficient resources to address an emergency at this site. The
Water commissioner stood up and said this area was a critical watershed to our water supplies
and jeopardizing it would have very serious consequences. A physician stood up and cited the
health concerns of sharing a water table with a public school's well water system. Other
community members both expert and non -expert stood up and spoke, but tonight I'd like to focus
on 3 issues from that proposal 18 years ago: safety, safe clean water, and an nearby public
elementary school. Eighteen years ago your predecessors came to a fork in the road for the
community. And they chose safety, safe clean water, and a suitable environment for our young
children... they chose this over special corporate. We have arrived at the same crossroads
tonight. And not only are the issues the same, but they are compounded by several factors... .
He asked that they make the right decision tonight for their children and turn down the proposal.
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He stated that he did not understand why a legal technicality would make this any safer today
than it was 18 years ago.
Vince Derr stated that he was employed by Faulconer Construction Company and was a resident
of Albemarle County. Faulconer Construction Company has employed people in this County for
over 60 years. He asked to address two topics that had been talked about a lot tonight. One
issue was pollution and the other safety. He stated that they believed at Faulconer that one of
the best indicators of a company's good citizenship is rather than to speculate about things is to
consider the record. Their shop property has been located on Woodburn Road for over 30 years,
which was adjacent to many residential dwellings. After they had been there 22 years, the school
board felt fit to build Agnor Hurt School right down the street from us at approximately the same
distance that Murray Elementary School is to our proposed site. In that thirty years they have
been about one -quarter of a mile from the main Rivanna Reservoir. Over those three decades
they have never caused any damage to the reservoir or to any of their neighbors. The DEQ, State
and local fire marshals as well as other regulatory agencies have routinely visited our yard and
they have provided us with a clean bill of health. Finally, with regard to safety, they have a very
proactive safety program at Faulconer. The liability and their employee's safety are very critical.
They have received numerous safety awards. One of the compelling facts is that their insurance
company has awarded us their top public safety award for four consecutive years. That puts
them in the top 10 percent of all the firms and companies which they insure. He stated that they
believe with the three decades of experience that indicates that Faulconer will not and does not
intend to cause any undue safety or pollution concerns.
Jack Sanford, Jr., President of Faulconer Construction Company, stated that they have three
issues before them tonight. They bought a piece of property that is zoned Light Industrial. It is by
right. He asked the Commission to focus on those three waiver issues that they brought before
them tonight and vote in the affirmative for Faulconer as the staff has recommended pushing this
matter forward.
Will Crowder, resident of 2980 Morgantown Road, expressed his frustration that this was the only
opportunity that they have had to express their comments. He voiced concern with the proposals
that the Commission is considering today because they pose a serious threat to what they have
tried so hard to achieve. He noted concerns about the fact that even the slightest spill of solvents
or the waste run-off from the washing of equipment may permanently damage local streams and
groundwater. (A copy of Mr. Crowder's presentation if attached.) He strongly urged the
Commission to deny the critical slop waivers to Faulconer Construction.
H. Wayne Elliott stated that he lived in Northfields. He stated that he opposed the request
because it does not make any sense for all of the previously stated reasons. He stated that he
represented the Albemarle Neighborhood Association. On January 30th, they discussed the
Faulconer request at the meeting of the Albemarle Neighborhood Association. After a full
consideration of the proposal, it was the consensus of the neighborhoods represented and in
attendance that the proposal and the waiver request should be rejected. The contemplated use is
inappropriate for the area. It is difficult to concept of earth moving equipment within the category
of Light Industry. One would only have to look at the size of such equipment and the function it
performs to appreciate that there is nothing light about it. They felt that this use would be more
appropriate in Heavy Industry. Several of their concerns include the noise created by the
equipment and it being distracting to the elementary school children. The road network is not
sufficient to handle the traffic, particularly in the morning when the school buses arrive at school
since that is the time that the equipment would be deployed off the site. The Albemarle
Neighborhood Associated urged the Planning Commission to disapprove Faulconer's proposal
and waiver requests as an inappropriate use of the land and as a use inconsistent with any
reasonable definition of the phrase light industry.
Mr. Rieley asked that Adnan Gear come forward to speak. Since she was not present, he asked
that the next speaker Henry Waller come forward to speak.
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Henry Waller stated that he was a member of Ivy and was speaking on behalf of the Afro-
' Americans in Ivy. In the 50's approximately 80 percent of the neighborhood was Afro-American.
Morgantown Road has been widened several times. Each time it was widened it was done on
the left-hand side, which is the side where most of the Afro-Americans live. He stated that if this
was approved that they feared that it would destroy their church. When large trucks and school
buses go past the church the entire church shakes. He fears what will happen when the larger
construction equipment is placed on the road. He hoped that the Commission would look at this
and see that it would damage the community and all of their lives. He asked that they not allow
this project to go through.
Mr. Rieley asked that Debby Steva come forward to speak. Since she was not present, he asked
that James Yates come forward to speak.
James Yates stated that he moved to Ivy to escape a nightmare of unchecked development in
south Florida. He stated that he was speaking tonight because he did not want that nightmare to
continue. "A horrible injustice is being committed: Our government is giving corporate interest
priority over its people. This injustice has been years in the making and is destroying our way of
life. Our government has increasingly become a government of the corporations, by the
corporations and for the corporations. In despair, I have watched our elected and appointed
officials on federal, state and local levels, participate in a wholesale give away to corporations
that has resulted in the degradation of our communities, our environment and our way of life.
Your approval of Faulconer's Heavy Industrial equipment repair shop and storage site would be
just one more example of this wholesale giveaway.... I was shocked and sickened to learn of
several incidents in which the people of this community were not given a full opportunity to make
their voices heard regarding this decision. Most disturbing was the failure of the Board of Zoning
Appeals to reschedule a critical hearing that happened to fall on September 11th. Whose
interests were served by those actions? I will not enumerate the many reasons why it is wrong to
give Faulconer the right to endanger our commun V, our environment, and the future of our
children. I will leave that to the people who have spoken before me and who will continue to
speak. Please do your job. Listen to the people — put our interests first over corporations. Stand
with the people you are here to serve and protect. Reject the waiver requests." (A copy of Mr.
Yates presentation is attached.)
Lyle Solla-Yates, resident of Ivy and a fourth -year urban planner at the University of Virginia,
stated that the first sentence of the American Institute of Certified Planners Code of Ethics and
Professional conduct is this: "A planner's primary responsibility is to serve the public interest."
He asked if allowing the critical slopes to be bulldozed serve the public interest? He asked if the
short term benefit of tax revenues outweigh the long-term costs to the health and welfare of Ivy
residents? Changing the rules to benefit Faulconer will hurt the community will have
consequences in every area. "This project violates the core principles of urban planning. I am
ashamed that it made it this far. Someone pointed out that Faulconer didn't appoint you, but even
if they did. Even if you were all Faulconer executives, the public interest is still your main
responsibility. I know that you'll do the right thing." (A copy of Mr. Solla-Yates presentation is
attached.)
Charles Trachta stated that he lived in Woodbrook and wanted to speak about two of the reasons
why they should reject this. The staff recommended approval and the County Attorney's office
concurred with the reasons, but yet when Wendell Wood wanted to build his Home Depot in Rio
the County turned him down. To make a long story short, he sued the County and the Court
upheld the County's ruling. He asked why. It was because to do what he wanted Mr. Wood
needed to plow over the streams and alter the critical slopes. The only way that the applicant can
do what they want is to plow over the streams and alter the critical slopes. He asked what he
was missing here. He asked if the County has changed its ruling on critical slopes. If they
haven't, then they must reject the application. He pointed out that critical slopes lower a
property's value because they make the land unusable. He stated that for a buffer to disappear,
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the public needs to know. An eraser is not good enough to change what was approved in the
public arena no matter who is using the eraser. Not only should this Board reject this application,
vftw you should ask for an investigation into why the buffer disappeared and to have it done by an
independent agency from outside the Albemarle/Charlottesville area. This investigation and its
finding would be easier for the public to accept if the Board asks for it instead of making the public
go to Richmond and asking them. Since the applicant cannot do what they want and if the buffer
was still in effect, you must reject this application for the second point. There are many good
reasons to reject this, but these two points give you no room to negotiate. He asked that the
Commission do what is right and reject this application.
Bessie Maupin Jackson stated that she grew up right around the corner from Murray Elementary
School. She stated that her parents raised nine children and they all attended Murray. She
stated that she moved back to the area so that her two children would have some roots by
attending Murray. She stated that her dad grew up minus two fingers and a thumb due to a
dynamite cap that was thrown off into the woods. She pointed out that she was concerned about
the safety of everyone in the community particularly the church. She noted that the increased
traffic was a serious issue. She stated that their church was 130 years old and the cemetery
would be affected. She noted that nobody has even addressed the cemetery that is located on
the property. She asked what is going to happen to that. The more they dig into these things, the
more things are coming to light. Twenty-five years ago Ivy was a predominantly black
neighborhood. We did not have a voice because nobody listened to us then. She stressed that
now they needed to listen to them because they do have a voice and they should be preserved
as a historical community because they were probably one of the oldest black communities in
Albemarle County. You can go to the cemeteries and see that people have been buried there
since the early 1800's. When will it make a difference? What is going to happen to the houses?
What is going to happen to my mom pulling out of her driveway? She pointed out that there were
a lot of elderly people who would have to pull out onto this road. She asked if they were going to
take their own lives into their hands or are you all going to take our lives into your hands?
Berry Solla, real estate agent, stated that she could not get clients to look at property near the Ivy
Dump. She stated that the clients would not get out of the car to look at those properties. She
stated that from start to finish this proposal was unacceptable. She hoped that they understand
that the fact that Faulconer needs all of these variances or waivers says that the use does not fit
the property. She asked that they support the people in the County.
Mr. Rieley stated that the next speaker was Diane O'Kusa. Since she was not present, he asked
that the next speaker John McLoid, II come forward. Since he was not present, he asked that
David Rogers come forward to speak.
David Rogers stated that he was the Principal of Virginia L. Murray Elementary School. He
stated that they had heard a lot of evidence that his school and the Ivy community were in
upheaval. He thought that the reason for this was that a lot of the questions that have been
asked don't seem to have definite answers. He noted that the Commission has a difficult
decision to make. He stated that if they make their decisions on the smaller elements that they
still determine the broader issues. He stated that he has faith in their judgement and certainly in
your integrity. At the same time he urged them to please get the answers to these questions
before you make the final decision. He asked that they hold the final review of the other aspects
of the project as it goes along because this is a huge issue. He stated that the residents of Ivy
are deeply concerned. He stated that the Commission needs the best information in order to
make their decision. He urged them to get all of the information and answer all of the questions
for themselves as well as for the rest of us as you proceed with this. He stated that they all
wanted to know.
Mr. Rieley stated that they were at the end of the sign-up sheet. He asked how many other
people would like to speak. He asked that they come up one at a time to speak.
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Cathy Butler stated that she manages the trauma center at the University of Virginia. She stated
that she has been a trauma nurse for 23 years. She voiced concern with the increased risk of
serious injury or death should the Faulconer project be permitted. She stated that she actually
owns one of the horses shown in the pasture in the picture shown earlier. She pointed out that
horses are very sensitive to noise and movement. Many children, including her young daughter,
ride within hearing and sight of this proposed project. No doubt any citizen behind her has had to
stop or at least slow down for young children who lead horses across Morgantown Road by
themselves. They will be at an increased risk if large trucks are frequently on this road.
Pedestrians and bikers are on this road. They will be at an increased risk of serious injury or
death. She stressed the hazard of the very narrow road for the community. Several of the
homes are very close to Morgantown Road. Sharing the road with large vehicles is an extreme
concern. There is also a blind curve on Morgantown Road. They have been trying to slow the
speed down on Morgantown Road due to these concerns. She asked the Commission to
consider the rights of the people in this audience and that community.
Tom Goodrich stated that he was an Ivy resident who egresses onto Morgantown Road every
day. He stated that as a member of the Western Albemarle Rescue Squad for ten years he has
responded to numerous motor vehicle accidents on secondary roads. A lot of the accidents have
involved large vehicles versus small vehicles. He noted that larger vehicles have a reduced or no
mobility to avoid hitting a smaller vehicle, a pedestrian or a bicycle. He stated that he said this
with 23 years experience of being a police officer going to accidents in New York City. He asked
that they consider the safety aspect concerning this road.
Zack Rice stated that he grew up on Morgantown Road and they have never had any problems
with their air being clean. He asked that they not take away their fresh water and clean air. He
voiced concerns about the narrow road. He asked that they not approve the waivers.
Adele Wood stated that she was a guide at the Ivy Creek Natural Area and had lived in Ivy since
errW 1978. She stated that the piece of property was rezoned when Jimmy Dettor took a petition
around to the black people that lived in that neighborhood and told them that he was going to
build them a lake and a recreational area and asked that they sign it so they could rezone it to M-
1 and then turn it into light industrial. She stated that was part of what was underlying the
controversy tonight because that was not the democratic process, as we know it. This property
does come with baggage because people were deceived. Now they have a situation that even if
waivers are given and they develop the property of which they have the right to do that. She
stated that was not the right thing to do. She stated that there was a lot of money at stake here.
She prayed that the Commission seriously think about this.
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Barry Strange stated that if you approve the waiver for critical slopes and permit them to clear-cut
it would be a serious impact on the charge water recharge. The woods are very important in
recharging the ground water. Of course, there is also the concern that something could run into
the stream and pollute the water as well. That is a realistic concern. Another thing that stuck out
was that one of the pictures showed a 102 inch wide vehicle. He pointed out that he has driven a
102-inch vehicle, which was 8' 8" wide. The mirrors don't go out far enough to let you see behind
it. It takes a special permit to have that vehicle legally on the road. He stated that he did not
envy the men that have to drive those trucks on anything other than the interstate. On a narrow
road like this, he really did not envy them. He stated that the worse scenario was a 2,000 to
3,000 pound vehicle meeting an 80,000-pound vehicle and there is not enough road for
everybody. This project is just out of place. The Zoning Department might call this light
industrial, but an 8 foot 8 inch wide vehicle is in no way light. There is another thing that you
really need to think about. That is the precedence that this would be setting. If you allow these
slopes to be leveled and the topsoil removed, it will do environmental damage. He asked how
you could approve one and disapprove another without sooner or later ending up in court. He
stated that it was unforgivable that the applicant was unwilling to work with the community.
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Jeff Werner, of the Piedmont Environmental Council, stated that he had been following this
project since its inception and as you all know there is a lot going on in Albemarle County right
now. There is only so much of himself that he could spread around. He felt very frustrated with
the members of the community. He noted that he spent a great deal of time with one gentleman
yesterday and part of today going through some final ideas. He repeatedly told these folks when
they called him to get involved and get informed and get organized and come out and speak up.
He tipped his hat to Mr. Hutchinson because as he counted there were over 200 people here
tonight and he never generated an outcome like that. He felt that was a huge turnout. He stated
that he wanted to comment on that. He asked the Commission to take the time to fully consider
everything that you have heard tonight. You have heard about traffic concerns, groundwater
concerns, noise issues, air pollution, petroleum run-off, legal issues and even explosives. The
concerns of these citizens must matter for something. Additionally if the critical slopes had been
so written and subsequently interpreted just that this decision process is merely an in depth
approval process. It has been said before that he strongly urges the County to take a good hard
look at this. Just a thought about property rights as a law professor of mine use to put it this way,
I will give you every right to swing your arms wildly about but that all changes the minute that you
hit me. After hearing all of these voices tonight, what I hear is a group of people trying very hard
not to get punched in the nose.
Billy Newtrump stated that she lived on Morgantown Road and would literally be the next door
neighbor to Faulconer. She noted that her concerns had been addressed tonight, which was the
issue of ground water. The concern of the repercussions of the flattening of the critical slopes
and what it will do to the aesthetic resources in that particular region. For the record she
respected the record of Faulconer. She also respects the length of time that many of the
residents have lived in Ivy. She stated as a fourth generation native of Albemarle County and to
this date there have been six generations that have lived on the land that she grew up on in
Scottsville. She seriously asked the Commission to take a long look at this issue before you
make your decision. Just because one can do a thing by right does not necessarily mean one
can do it. She asked that they please consider all of these issues before you make that decision.
She stated that all of know that Albemarle County is renowned for its beauty around this globe.
She found that out when she went to France in 2000. She came across someone who knew of
the beauty of the University of Virginia grounds and the beauty of the home of Thomas Jefferson.
She asked if you couldn't look at this decision from the standpoint of progress, please look at it
from a moral standpoint. Are we all not going to be satisfied until every inch of this renounced
County is developed?
Collen Hutchinson stated that she lives adjacent to the property in question. She stated that
Morgantown Road is part of the historical Three Notch'd Road from Richmond to the Blue Ridge
Mountain which dates from 1733. (See the attached copy of Ms. Hutchinson's "Architectural
Pattern Associated with Virginia Road Traces.")
Thelma Godlin stated that when they were discussing this project with their pastor he asked that
they pray about tonight's hearing. She prayed God's blessing on the Commission in that they
would do the right thing and deny the waivers.
Thelma Whiting, resident of the area, referred to today's newspaper which said that massive
deaths from the shuttle might have been wrong. She believed that the accident was the result of
a waiver since they knew the panel was broken when it went up but they did nothing about it. My
request to you is to deny the waivers. If they can come in without waivers, then it would be fine.
She stated that she did not want her family to have to mourn the loss of their family members on
this narrow road.
Jim Haulin, an Albemarle County resident, stated that there must be dozens of more suitable
sites for this project that Faulconer Construction is contemplating in Ivy. In particular, a site that
has more access to roads, not in close proximity to homes and schools. He encouraged the folks
*,N° from Faulconer Construction to consider a different site than this one. He asked that the
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Commission not approve their waiver. He stated that he knew they could not consider the traffic
and those things that have been discussed, but they could consider the waiver. If they cannot do
this site without the waiver, he would encourage them to not approve the waivers.
Reverend Walker, of Ivy, stated that Ivy was a nice place and he hoped that they could keep it
like that. He stated that he was a school bus driver years ago and it was a pleasure to drive a
school bus because there were not a lot of big trucks on the road like there now. He stated that it
was very dangerous to drive a school bus today. He stated that he knew they would feel bad if
one of the school buses was hit by one of those big trucks and killed some children. Then you
would say that we have made a bad mistake. He hoped and prayed that everyone would get on
his or her knees and prays to God that he will help you make the right decision. There are many
senior citizens living here as well as people using oxygen. All of the pollution would not be good
for them. He stated that just driving behind one of the big trucks took his breath. He asked that
they think about these things and to not make a quick decision. He encouraged them to take
their time and talk to the Lord and let the Lord hear you and guide you. May God ever bless you.
Mr. Rieley asked if anyone else would like to speak on this issue. There being none, he asked
Mr. Carter if he would like to take five minutes for a rebuttal.
Mr. Richard Carter congratulated everyone who showed up tonight. He felt that this was what it
was all about. You should come and say what you want. He stated that they could disagree
without being disagreeable. He felt that for a large part that was what they had here tonight. He
read that the children as part of a civics lesson or something on how things work, and he
congratulated them. They saw the process and how it does work. There are three things that he
would like to rebut that were said. One, was that a gentleman said that the Home Depot case
was upheld on the merits. That is not true. The Home Depot case was dismissed because the
wrong plaintiff was in there and the proper plaintiff could bring up that case again. He stated that
was wrong and you should not be told that. Mr. Taggert says that these rules are here for a
reason. He stated that was true, but the waivers were here for a reason too. The reason is that
there are so many critical slopes in this County that it is not going to be unusual for people to
come and ask for critical slope waivers. As Mr. Buck said that this was a health, safety and
welfare issue. Health, safety and welfare is only one of the criteria in Section 4.2.5.b.1 and all of
those criteria are or. They are not and. They are or and he would refer you to the County
Attorney if you have a question on that. Seven percent of the critical slopes are man-made.
Forty percent of the whole site was going to be fully undisturbed. Let's talk about clear cutting by
looking at the site plan. Forty percent of it is going to be undisturbed. The other issue raised was
harmony with the neighbors. If I look at the immediate neighbors standing in front of this place
that use to be Dettor, Edwards and Morris and Dave Mathew's, that building has almost 100,000
square feet. Then there is the place that makes the tracks on the top of the hill. From looking at
this, this is an industrial park. Look at the sign when you come in. It says Ivy Industrial Park. It is
there for light industrial. So he would say that there has been a lot of talk about fairness.
Fairness runs both ways. Fairness is when you are in the County and the highway department
condemns your property and you have to go somewhere else. You look around for light industrial
property. There is very little light industrial property in this County. He noted that you would not
get anything else zoned light industrial. You find some light industrial property, but they say that
there are streams here and you will need a critical slope waiver. You do the things according to
the ordinance with the approval of the engineers and the County. Then they say wait a minute
that is not fair to us. Well it is not fair to us either. We have done all that we can do on this.
There are three things before you tonight. He asked that the Commission consider them carefully
and give them the waivers.
The Planning Commission took a ten-minute recess at 9:15 p.m.
The meeting reconvened at 9:40 p.m.
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Mr. Rieley called the meeting back to order. He stated that the public hearing was now closed.
He stated that he would like to thank everyone that is here and everyone that spoke tonight for
**M0, really one of the best public hearings that he has attended. He really appreciated the
attentiveness and the politeness that generally prevailed throughout the evening. It really helps
the decision making process when we are speaking to each other and not at each other. He
thanked everyone for that. He stated that most of the Commissioners have questions for staff
about some of the many things that they have heard tonight. He asked if any of the
Commissioners have questions for staff.
Mr. Thomas stated that along the lines of the critical slope waiver, he asked if there was another
route that the applicant could have taken into the property other than the one that they chose
without affecting the critical slopes. He asked if there was another way that the entrance could
have gone into the property.
Ms. Amarante stated that the existing entrance off of Morgantown Road is the entrance to the Ivy
Park, and it just happens to be on this property. Off of Morgantown Road they would not have
been able to come in any other way. Once you get onto Dettor Road and actually start making
the access into the property, the site plan that came in 2001 showed some different scenarios
and different stream crossings which was really discouraged by our engineering department, in
particular the Water Resources Manager because of the impacts that they had on the buffers.
She stated that the applicant responded to that with what they have submitted. The engineering
department has made their determination through their critical waiver review that there is no other
reasonable alternative than what they are presenting.
Mr. Thomas stated that this is the best way to do it then
Mr. Finley asked if they have attempted to study if the trucks can be routed so that they would not
go past the school by signage on Route 250 and so forth.
Ms. Amarante stated that their Transportation Planner, Juandiego Wade, is working with VDOT
on trying to get that route restriction. She noted that he could speak to that if you would like to
hear about some of his work with the Ivy Community and VDOT in trying to get some of the traffic
issues addressed. She stated that staff has not gotten a decision from VDOT as to whether or
not a route restriction for the trucks coming off of Route 250 would be the possible scenario. We
just don't know.
Mr. Finley stated that they stated that 40 percent would not be disturbed at the site. He asked if
the trees would remain in that area.
Ms. Amarante stated that the applicant would be required to submit a landscape plan as part of
their final plan review. Part of the landscaping plan will be a conservation plan to make sure that
those trees are not damaged or destroyed in any way.
Mr. Rieley stated that he would direct a question to Mr. Kamptner that focuses around Section 32.
He asked about Section 32 of Chapter 18 that a number of people quoted. The purpose of this
section is to encourage innovative and creative design and facilitate the use of the most
advantageous techniques and the highest standards for the development of the land and to
ensure that the land is used in a manner which is efficient and harmonious with neighboring
property in accordance with the Comprehensive Plan and the provisions of this chapter. The
question for Mr. Kamptner is the degree to which that section of Chapter 18 gives us discretionary
authority beyond the ministerial action before us in the site plan and the waivers.
Mr. Kamptner stated that Section 32.1 is a statement of intent for a purpose and the statements in
that section are implemented in the rest of Chapter 32 through all of the regulations that apply in
a site plan review. We would not use Section 32.1 as an independent regulation or referring any
Sft� independent regulatory authority.
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Mr. Rieley stated that another issue that came up tonight that se have heard for a long time is that
of the disappearing 200-foot buffer along the western edge of the property. What is the County
Attorney's perspective of the status of that 200-foot buffer?
Mr. Kamptner stated that the County Attorney's Office's perspective is reflected in Attachment C
in the staff report which was Mr. Davis' letter to the Board of Supervisors which outlines the
zoning history of the property. Just a brief outline of that history is in 1970 a conditional use
permit was issued for a warehouse and that is where the condition pertaining to buffers originally
appeared. In 1975 the property was rezoned most of it to M-1. The conditional use permit and
the buffer conditions for the warehouse use remained. In 1980 the property which was M-1 and
A-1 was rezoned as part of the County's comprehensive rezoning and that was when the bulk of
the property except for the 400-foot area to the north was rezoned to LI. Again, the conditional
use permit with the buffer condition remained. In 1987 the LI district regulations were amended
which made the warehouse use or most warehouse uses a by -right use which had the effect of
nullifying the conditional use conditions because it was a by -right use. That is our office's review
of the zoning history.
Mr. Edgerton stated that before they get of that, he was trying to follow Mr. Kampnter. He noted
that he reread the letter several times but he was trying to figure out the County Attorney's
position. He questioned how the conditions stayed in place for three different changes, but then it
disappeared in 1987. He asked how a promise that had been made could disappear?
Mr. Kamptner stated that the conditional use permit became a nullity in 1987 when the LI zoning
regulations were amended. A use that had been allowed only by what is now called a special use
permit, which would be allowed with those conditions, became a by -right use with that change.
Mr. Edgerton stated that when they approve special use permits with conditions down the road all
the conditions could disappear.
Mr. Kampnter stated that if the use became a use by right. The County has made a legislative
determination that the use should be allowed by right without conditions that address impacts that
might be particular to that use.
Ms. Hopper stated that she had a question about the intermittent stream that Mr. Buck mentions
in his letter and about that requiring stream buffers. First of all the stream was not located on the
site plan and then a buffer was not required for an intermittent stream.
Ms. Amarante stated that she had not had a chance to read that letter since she just received it
Ms. Hopper asked Mr. Buck if he knew what page that was on.
Mr. Buck stated that it was located on page 6.
Ms. Hopper stated that it was in the second paragraph that was something I wanted to make sure
that they did not forget.
Mr. Rieley stated that if she would like they could ask Mr. Graham and Mr. Hirschman to address
that issue.
Ms. Hopper stated that would be a good idea
Mr. Dave Hirschman, with the Engineering Department, stated that he could clarify the issue of
the swale or stream. When the first plan came through in 2001, he went out and did a stream
determination on the property and flagged all the intermittent and perennial streams. That
particular valley was a swale and it did not cross either an intermittent stream so we did not
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require that a stream buffer protect it. Part of their stream buffer mitigation plan is that they are to
incorporate that area even though there was not a defined stream channel there. It is not a
*kwl stream, but more of a drainage swale. He stated that it keeps showing up as stream probably
because of the topography. Based on their field determination of streams on the property in
2001, the streams you see covered by a stream buffer are those that we identified.
Mr. Buck asked if he could make a comment.
Mr. Rieley stated that he could not since the public hearing was closed. He stated that a number
of people raised the issue of the four-hour dynamite storage period. He asked Ms. Amarante to
elaborate on that condition for the Commission a little bit.
Ms. Amarante stated that was a condition that staff wrote after we had asked the applicant if they
would be willing or actually the applicant had said that they would not have any explosives on the
site. Staff then asked the applicant if they would be willing to allow the County to approve the plan
with the condition that no explosives would be allowed on the site. They agreed and staff came
up with that condition. She stated that they needed to come up with a definition of storage and
what they meant. Therefore, that is what she came up with thinking that possibly they would have
explosives on the trucks and the trucks would have to stop at the shop and then they could make
sure that condition could be changed if the applicant was agreeable to it. She stated that she did
not have any suggestions.
Mr. Rieley stated that his understanding was that the storage itself unless voluntarily conditioned
in this would not normally be prohibited in a Light Industrial zone. He asked if that was correct?
Ms. Amarante stated that was correct.
Mr. Kamptner stated that specific to the contractor's office and equipment storage yards. That
was one of the issues in front of the Board of Zoning Appeals which was particular to the
contractor's office.
Mr. Thomas asked if the TNT property still stored on the site for only four hours.
Ms. Amarante stated that it was still for only four hours as it stands in the current condition.
Mr. Edgerton stated that the applicant offered for no storage and you took it to four hours. He
pointed out that Mr. Sanford was quoted in the paper last night that there would be no storage of
explosives on the site. He pointed out that he was confused.
Ms. Amarante stated that it was not clear to her whether or not the applicant wanted to prohibit
storage of explosives altogether or allow it on the truck as it visited the property but not keep it on
the property. It was a time limit that she felt was reasonable.
Mr. Edgerton asked if they could clear that up with the applicant. He stated that he felt that this
issue needed to be addressed.
Mr. Rieley asked if the applicant would address that issue.
Mr. Jack Sanford, Jr. stated that they agreed with staff that they did not need to store overnight
explosives on the site. What they do is that they will order explosives and they will be delivered
to us and at some point they have to make that transaction. Either two hour trucks that are
licensed in the State of Virginia and go to our job site or they can deliver a large quantity directly
to the job site. He felt that was staff's reason for allowing some period of time for transfer from a
provider to the end user. What they do now is that they do store explosives at their yard now.
They don't meet the requirements for distances under the Code of Virginia in order to store at this
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site. They have to be so many hundreds of feet from the next residence or building or school that
they were not trying to meet at this site.
Mr. Rieley stated that you understand of course the anxiety of the neighbors of having explosives
so close to a school. If this is not something that you are going to do.
Mr. Sanford stated that same truck that is delivering to us or our truck could be at the Outback
Steakhouse for lunch parked for two hours or it could be at Barracks Road Shopping Center or it
could be on the interstate or Route 250. They wanted to remove that liability for storing overnight
for us. We thought that was the best use to not store there. He stated that they were permitted
with a State and Federal permit.
Mr. Rieley thanked Mr. Sanford. For clarification, the Commission may ask anybody to readdress
the Commission to answer specific questions. He pointed out that he would not tolerate that type
of outbursts. He asked if there were other questions.
Mr. Craddock asked Mr. Wade a question. There is a road plan from VDOT that looks like it goes
back to 1990. He asked when Dettor Edwards closed up shop?
Mr. Wade stated that he would have to get back to him after he looked it up.
Mr. Craddock stated that the point that he was making is that a number of years ago there was
another construction project near an elementary school and there was a lot of talk about it. A
national expert came and talked about the mingling of truck traffic, private automobiles and
school buses. The basis result of the problem was that cars and school buses don't mingle very
well with dump trucks and heavy equipment. He pointed out that from looking at the figures, he
thought that Dettor Edwards was closed at that point because it did not look like there were any
serious accidents through here. He acknowledged the concern expressed by many citizens
tonight concerning the potential safety issues associated with the narrow width of the road with
the large sized vehicles being on it.
Mr. Wade stated that staff was actively working with VDOT on trying to address the trucking and
the bus issues. He stated that initially he was trying to have a voluntary commitment that they
would use Tillman Road. If that was the case, then VDOT said that they would look into a
trucking route. Through these stages, it will be evaluated to see the impact of it. He noted that
VDOT was not here tonight. He noted that staff has already been working with the Neighborhood
Association in trying to address the speeding and truck traffic on Morgantown Road. Those
things are still ongoing currently.
Mr. Thomas stated that there was something being done presently on Morgantown Road and
Route 250 above Mechums River. He asked if there was something in progress on that
intersection right now.
Mr. Wade stated that on the western most end, VDOT did a temporary two-way slip ramp of the
intersection of Morgantown Road and Route 250. He stated that intersection would eventually be
a cul-de-sac. It is currently on the County's six -year plan, but it is a few years out. It is not on the
six -year funding cycle, but it is on the County's six -year priority list. That was a concern of the
residents that staff has been addressing before this came that was speeding in that area.
Mr. Craddock asked about the eastern end.
Mr. Wade stated that there is nothing planned for the eastern end intersection at this point. There
is a project planned for the intersection of Tillman Road and Route 250 to increase the site
distance, which was a few years down the road in the County's priority list. It is a project
scheduled to be done.
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Mr. Finley stated that on page 5 of the report it says that thus far VDOT has recommended
approval of this application for the improvements on the entrance to Morgantown Road. He
asked why it stated thus far? He asked if VDOT has given a letter on this?
Mr. Wade stated that VDOT has reviewed this and that was their comments. They understand the
concerns of the residents. As a result they have been out there trying to do something parallel to
their comments as far as to try to address. He noted that VDOT probably thinks that their
comments are sufficient, but they also understand that the County has to deal with the residents
and their concerns. As a result, VDOT will try to work with the County with a trucking route. He
noted that was something else that is being done in addition to their comments.
Mr. Finley asked normally how long that process would take to work with the County.
Mr. Wade stated that there were no state guidelines for a trucking route. As he understands it, it
is left up to the resident engineer. Because it involves Route 250, VDOT is getting some direction
from their Culpeper Office. He pointed out that the met recently with the local resident engineer
and the district engineer on this and their suggestion was to first ask the applicant to voluntarily
use Tillman Road to Morgantown Road for that short distance into Dettor. If that does not work,
then we will monitor it. Then they will look into implementing a trucking route sign, but it takes a
lot because they have to look at placing the signs on Route 250 in the best place and what that
sign should say. That is something that VDOT says that they will look at down the road. Staff is
still working with VDOT on how to address it. He pointed out that they have some good base
information to work on it and it was an ongoing process.
Mr. Finley stated that the official confirmation of VDOT approval was not covered in the
conditions. He asked if that should be in the conditions?
Ms. Amarante stated that it was not in the conditions.
Mr. Rieley asked if there were other questions for Mr. Wade. There being none, he thanked Mr.
Wade. He stated that he had a question that was raised by Mr. Buck's letter. He acknowledged
that fact that no one has had a chance to look at that carefully. He stated that there was an
insertion that the southern part of this proposal fails to meet the requirement for a building site
that is a rectangle that is no more extreme than a 1 X 5 proportion. He asked staff to address
that.
Ms. Amarante stated that she could not answer that question.
Ms. Hopper stated that she had some comments. The building site argument was located on
page 3 of Mr. Buck's letter. Mr. Kamptner has run off copies of the ordinance stating the
standards for review for the Planning Commission relating to these waivers. After hearing
everybody speak on all sides, she knew what her position was and how she was going to vote.
She noted that she was going to state why and go over it using the staff report and the spin
Commission comments in the statute or the ordinance. The ordinance at 4.2.5 states that any
requirement of Section 4.2 may be modified or waived. She emphasized may. It does not say
that they shall. It says that they may as provided herein. They give three instances. The
Commission may modify or waive any requirement of Section 4.2, Critical Slopes, in a particular
case upon finding that: 1) Strict application of the requirements would not forward the purposes of
this chapter or otherwise serve the public, health, safety or welfare. She certainly did not think
that the strict application of their critical slope protection ordinance would not forward the
purposes of the chapter. That does not apply. The Commission may modify or waive if due to its
unusual size, topography or shape, the requirements of the critical slopes ordinance would
effectively prohibit or unreasonably restrict the use of the property. She stated that she would get
back to them on this one. The third is that if granting such modification or waiver would serve a
public purpose. Certainly granting this waiver would not serve a public purpose. She stated that
"g,.W she would go back to the second one and Ms. Amarante's comment in the report. She asked to
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stop for a second and thank staff for all their hard work on this application. This has been a
difficult, painful application to work on. She appalled Ms. McCulley for her good job. She pointed
out that everybody has worked hard to do their job. Going back to Ms. Amarante's report on
page 3, it says third paragraph down that there is not reasonably alternative location for alignment
to provide access to the usable portions of the site. She quoted the engineer's report in
Attachment I in talking about the critical. On page 3 above that statement, it says that
approximately .63 acres of the critical slope disturbance are due to driveway construction.
However, this application asks that 1.53 acres of critical slopes be disturbed. So even if there is
an argument that this driveway or access, and it says driveway construction and the access is
smaller than the driveway construction. Possibly that small portion of the critical slope would
need to be disturbed maybe due to the topography. That is not what is being asked for here. It is
being asked that 1.53 acres of critical slopes be disturbed. The Commission does not have to.
Because of that, she noted that she would vote to deny this waiver. The other reason is that the
Commission may waive the critical slopes waive, they don't have to. Moving on to the curvilinear
parking waiver. The standards for curvilinear parking are under Section 4.12.6.5.c. It stated that
curvilinear parking shall be favored for practical considerations warrant the Commission may
authorize other angled curvilinear and/or parallel parking. She was going to vote against granting
the waiver in this instance because there are no practical considerations that warrant this. The
site is being over developed. If the site was not being over developed, then there would not be
an issue of being able to preserve the stream buffers and have the perpendicular parking. This
application is trying to cram too much on one site. Finally, one-way circulation under Section
4.12.6.2 is the ordinance site which says one-way circulation isles shall not be permitted, except
that the Commission may approve one-way circulation in such case that the same is necessitated
by the peculiar character of the site or of the proposed use. On this application on this site it is
not necessitated by the peculiar character of the site or of the proposed use. What necessitates
this or what the applicant is asking for is because, again, they are over developing the site. They
can have this use and not need the one-way circulation. They just want to have this use in such
a dense over -developed way on this site that it requires them to need to ask for one-way
vyr„ circulation to cram everything on this site. She stated that she would vote to deny all the requests
for waivers based on those arguments.
Mr. Rieley stated that he finds it to be a sensible argument on the curvilinear parking and the one-
way circulation. In regards to the curvilinear parking and the one-way circulation he thought it
was an interesting argument that it is completely necessitated by the density of the development
on the property. He felt that there was some merit to that argument. On the other hand, both the
curvilinear parking and the one-way circulation allow for a compression of the built areas. It was
hard for him to argue that we should not have smaller parking lots and smaller driveways, but that
they should have larger ones. He noted that he could not recall a situation where this
Commission has turned down curvilinear parking or one-way circulation. He stated that the
critical slopes are a complex issue. There are a number of areas of critical slopes. There are
critical slopes that are impacted by the driveway, which they have no authority over and which are
not subject to our review. He pointed out that Brent Nelson has determined that the man-made
critical slopes are 7 percent of the site. He noted that the reason he asked Professor Hutchinson
the date of his photograph was because it clearly showed the disturbance of that area where
those critical slopes were actually established at that time. He stated that was recent. It would be
completely, in his view, out of character with the way our Commission has dealt with critical
slopes not to grant a waiver of these man-made critical slopes on the southern portion of the
property. He noted that he had difficulty with the critical slopes along the large portion of the
northeast portion of the property. There is a big area and the critical slopes in some areas are
contiguous and in other areas they are scattered. It goes from the driveway all the way up to the
northern most building on the property. This is an area of the highest visibility from Morgantown
Road and from the adjacent neighbors that would be the most affected by this. Once of the
criteria that they are obliged to take into account is that they must determine that this has been
adequately addressed in order to consider a waiver as a law of aesthetic resource. He stated
that he could not in good conscious say that there is not a loss of aesthetic resource relative to
that substantial area of critical slopes above those streams. Based on that he would vote in favor
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of the curvilinear parking and the one-way circulation, but he could not support the critical slope
wavier.
Mr. Rieley: It seems to me that we should start with the waivers and work our way through those
because obviously the waivers will determine whether or not we can vote in approval for the site
plan.
MOTION ON CRITICAL SLOPE WAIVER:
Ms. Hopper: Mr. Chairman, I move for the denial of the critical slopes waiver for SDP-2002-128
for all of the reasons that have been discussed this evening by the Commission after the public
hearing was closed.
Mr. Craddock: Second.
Mr. Rieley: We have a motion to deny the critical slopes waiver and a second. Is there further
discussion. May we have a roll call vote please?
Ms. Taylor: Mr. Thomas.
Mr. Thomas: Aye.
Ms. Taylor: Mr. Edgerton.
Mr. Edgerton: Aye.
Ms. Taylor: Mr. Craddock.
Mr. Craddock: Aye
Ms. Taylor: Ms. Hopper.
Ms. Hopper: Aye
Ms. Taylor: Mr. Finley.
Mr. Finley: No.
Ms. Taylor: Mr. Rieley.
Mr. Rieley: Aye.
The motion was denied (5:1). (Finley — no) (Loewenstein — absent)
Mr. Kamptner: Mr. Chairman, before we move on. Based on Ms. Hopper's comment that it was
based on all of the reasons. He was not sure if that included all of the reasons that we have
heard over the past five hours or four hours or whether it was just a summary. If you are
comfortable in capitulating what those reasons were. If you could state that for the record.
Ms. Hopper: Thank you, Mr. Kamptner. The reasons that I am moving ... (inaudible).
Mr. Rieley: I am sorry. At first I don't get it and then I keep it.
Ms. Hopper: I will be more specific than this. Mr. Kamptner and the Commissioners can help me.
It includes everything since the public hearing was closed and since the Planning Commission
started talking about it. But I will be more specific; it is due to the loss of aesthetic resources.
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The statutory reasons that I cited from Section 4.2.5.b saying that neither 1, 2 nor 3 occurred
allowing us to waive the critical slope requirement. And also the fact that the critical slope waiver
may be modified or waived which also was one of the reasons that we discussed.
Mr. Rieley: Is that satisfactory? The second waiver request is for curvilinear parking. Do we have
any further comments or a motion on that issue?
MOTION ON CURVILINEAR PARKING:
Mr. Thomas: That might be a moot point or a possibility.
Mr. Rieley: I don't know. I think we should act on all of the waivers.
Mr. Kamptner: I think in this case that you should do each one separately and act on them
tonight.
Mr. Rieley: Do we have a motion.
Mr. Finley: Mr. Chairman, I move for approval of the waiver on the second one for curvilinear
parking.
Mr. Rieley: That is right, Mr. Finley.
Mr. Thomas: Second.
Mr. Rieley: We have a motion and a second. Do we have further discussion? If not, may we
have our roll call vote, please?
Ms. Taylor: Mr. Thomas.
Mr. Thomas: Aye.
Ms. Taylor: Mr. Edgerton.
Mr. Edgerton: No.
Ms. Taylor: Mr. Craddock.
Mr. Craddock: No.
Ms. Taylor: Ms. Hopper.
Ms. Hopper: No.
Ms. Taylor: Mr. Finley.
Mr. Finley: Aye.
Ms. Taylor: Mr. Rieley.
Mr. Rieley: Aye.
The motion was denied (3:3). (Edgerton, Craddock, Hopper — No) (Loewenstein — absent)
Mr. Rieley: Our final waiver is for one-way circulation. Do we have discussion or a motion?
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Ms. Hopper: Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask for clarification. Because it was 3:3 does that
mean that it is not approved?
Mr. Kamptner: It is not approved.
Ms. Hopper: I just wanted to clarify that.
MOTION ON ONE-WAY CIRCULATION:
Mr. Finley: I make a motion that we approve the one-way circulation waiver, the waiver for one-
way circulation.
Mr. Thomas: I will second that motion.
Mr. Rieley: We have a motion and a second. Is there further discussion? May we have a role
call vote, please?
Ms. Taylor: Mr. Thomas.
Mr. Thomas: Aye.
Ms. Taylor: Mr. Edgerton.
Mr. Edgerton: No.
Ms. Taylor: Mr. Craddock.
Mr. Craddock: No.
Ms. Taylor: Ms. Hopper.
Ms. Hopper: No.
Ms. Taylor: Mr. Finley.
Mr. Finley: Aye.
Ms. Taylor: Mr. Rieley.
Mr. Rieley: Aye.
The motion was denied (3:3). (Edgerton, Craddock, Hopper — No) (Loewenstein absent)
Mr. Rieley: Then the final action that we have before us is the approval of the site plan. This site
plan cannot be approved without the waivers and the waivers have not passed. So we won't
need a motion to.
Mr. Kamptner: Mr. Chairman, let me just, you'do have a couple of options. One is that you could
disapprove the site plan, and you need to articulate the reasons why it was disapproved and cite
the Code sections to the applicant. The other thing that you could do is defer action on the site
plan and see if the applicant was willing to come back with an amended site plan that might
satisfy all of the requirements of the Zoning Ordinance.
Mr. Rieley: Thank you, Mr. Kamptner. That is an important distinction. What is the pleasure of the
Commission?
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Ms. Hopper: Mr. Chairman, I move for the denial of SDP-02-128
Mr. Rieley: We have a motion for denial.
Mr. Edgerton: Second
Mr. Finley: I would like to ask and this is in reference to various comments. What happens here
should the applicant want to request a deferral? Can he do that? Or can we vote and that finish
or how does it work?
Mr. Kamptner: Well, an applicant always has the opportunity to amend a site plan. If they do that,
then it stays with you. If you act on it tonight, then if the applicant wishes it can be appealed to
the Board of Supervisors.
Mr. Finley: But it is not required that you give him the opportunity to request a deferral.
Mr. Kamptner: No, it is not a requirement.
Mr. Rieley: We have a motion and a second to deny the site plan. Is there further discussion on
that?
Ms. Hopper: I do want to open it up for discussion with the clarification that Mr. Kamptner just
made about deferral versus going ahead and denying it and just invite people to discuss that
more if anybody wants to.
Mr. Rieley: My feeling is that option should be left open. This is a by -right use. We have not
granted the waivers that the applicant has requested. But it seems to me only fair to allow the
applicant to adjust the site plan and bring it back to us in a form that does not require the waivers.
I apologize. The issue is that we have a motion on the floor to deny the site plan. The other
option that we have available to us is to not act upon the site plan and give the applicant an
opportunity to bring the site plan back to us in a form that does not require the waivers that they
have not granted.
Ms. Hopper: Mr. Chairman, thank you. Understanding that better, I wish to withdraw my motion.
And I am so tired of forgetting the procedural word for that, but Mr. Kamptner can I just withdraw
my motion?
Mr. Kamptner: Was there a second made to that?
Mr. Rieley: There was a second.
Ms. Hopper: There was a second.
Mr. Kamptner: Go ahead. It is too late. In Robert's Rules.
Mr. Rieley: The cleanest thing if you are not comfortable with the motion that you made.
Mr. Kamptner: If you want to withdraw it or do you want to amend it.
Ms. Hopper: I will amend it.
Mr. Kamptner: Okay. Let's go ahead and see if the seconder is willing to agree to a friendly
amendment.
Ms. Hopper: Who seconded it? Are you open to a friendly amendment?
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Mr. Edgerton: What is it?
Ms. Hopper: Questions, questions. My friendly amendment would be that we not vote to deny,
but that we vote to defer for the purpose of giving the Commission a chance to look at this again if
it was a different application or if it is an amended site plan.
Mr. Finley: Do we vote to defer or do we (inaudible).
Mr. Edgerton: I am confused because I am not sure that we can vote to defer. I don't think that
we have that right.
Mr. Craddock: They have to ask for that.
Mr. Rieley: Greg, articulate again the reasons (inaudible).
Mr. Kamptner: If the applicant is willing to defer that is fine. The time period for you to act is due
to run out on .. .
Ms. Amarante: Friday
Mr. Kamptner: ... Friday. The applicant would have to give the Commission ten days notice to
start the process to compel action. The best thing would be for the applicant to agree to defer
action on the site plan so that the issues can be worked out.
Mr. Rieley: Mr. Carter.
Ms. Hopper: I did not realize that we didn't have the time. I am sorry.
Mr. Rick Carter: We would agree to that.
Mr. Rieley: The applicant agrees to request a deferral.
Mr. Edgerton: Then as a seconder am I allowed to withdraw my second and then that allows her
to withdraw her motion.
Mr. Thomas: Amend your second.
Mr. Edgerton: Is that, I don't know.
Mr. Rieley: She is amending.
Mr. Kamptner: Yes.
Mr. Rieley: She is essentially amending her motion and you need to concur.
Mr. Edgerton: I concur.
Ms. Hopper: You concur.
Mr. Edgerton: Yes.
Mr. Rieley: Okay, we have ...
Mr. Finley: So now do we have a motion then to accept the applicant's request for deferral.
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Mr. Rieley: Yes, we have a motion to accept the applicant's request for deferral on the site plan.
Is everybody clear? Thank you. It is late. I think that we got it right.
Mr. Finley: So now you must get another second, right.
Mr. Rieley: No, Mr. Edgerton amended his second as well.
Ms. Hopper: Mr. Edgerton seconded.
Mr. Rieley: Is there any other discussion on this issue? May we have a roll call vote, please?
Ms. Taylor: Mr. Thomas.
Mr. Thomas: Aye
Ms. Taylor: Mr. Edgerton.
Mr. Edgerton: Aye.
Ms. Taylor: Mr. Craddock.
Mr. Craddock: Aye.
Ms. Taylor: Ms. Hopper.
Ms. Hopper: Aye.
Ms. Taylor: Mr. Finley.
Mr. Finley: Aye.
Ms. Taylor: Mr. Rieley.
Mr. Rieley: Aye.
Mr. Cilimberg: Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Rieley: Yes.
Mr. Cilimberg: That deferral did not get a date, which was fine. It will be scheduled once we have
reviewed an amended plan. I just wanted the public to know that they will notify them again and
that it will be a new plan before you.
Mr. Rieley: There is so much interest in this, Mr. Cilimberg. Let's set a date if we can. You are
going to have to redesign, right. Okay, well that's too, that's impossible.
Mr. Cilimberg: It may be problematic to set a date, but we will (inaudible).
Mr. Rieley: All right, so we will readvertise.
Mr. Cilimberg: We will renotify.
Mr. Rieley: Right, we have a motion and a second on the floor. Is there any other discussion?
May we have a roll call vote?
Ms. Hopper: We voted.
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Mr. Rieley: We did vote. I am sorry. Thank you. It really is late isn't it? Thank you. All right, so
we have accepted the deferral and we have not passed any of the three actions. Now is there
any further
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V. Wayne Cilim
(Recorded and transcribed by Sharon Taylor, Recording Secretary.)
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