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August 13, 2013
The Albemarle County Planning Commission held a regular meeting on Tuesday,
August 13, 2013, at 6:00 p.m., at the County Office Building, Auditorium, Second Floor,
401 McIntire Road, Charlottesville, Virginia.
Members attending were Ed Smith, Thomas Loach, Bruce Dotson, Richard Randolph,
Don Franco, Calvin Morris, Chair; and Russell (Mac) Lafferty, Vice Chair. Julia Monteith,
AICP, Senior Land Use Planner for the University of Virginia was present.
Other officials present were Bill Fritz, Sharon Taylor, Clerk to Planning Commission;
Wayne Cilimberg, Director of Planning; and Greg Kamptner, Deputy County Attorney.
Call to Order and Establish Quorum:
Mr. Morris, Chair, called the regular meeting to order at 6:00 p.m. and established a
quorum.
Other Matters Not Listed on the Agenda from the Public:
Mr. Morris invited comment from the public on other matters not listed on the agenda.
The following individuals spoke:
• Sarah Rhodes, MPO Coordinator for the Charlottesville -Albemarle MPO, invited the
Commission to the first public input session for the Long Range Transportation Plan
on August 28 from 5-7 p.m. at the Water Street Center at 407 East Water Street.
They will be going through the process and remaining steps for the Long Range
Transportation Plan. She encouraged the Commissioners to attend. Also, tonight
they are launching the long range transportation website. It is www.tjpdc.org/Irtp.
There is a lot of information about how this process took place. From the June 25
meeting with the Commission there were a lot of concerns that this process was not
clear. So they took a lot of those comments to heart and she has done what they
can to make sure that it is more accessible to the public. She encouraged the
Commission to take a look at the website. Flyers were submitted to the Clerk.
(Attachment A)
• Linda O'Connell spoke regarding the Avon Park II rezoning. She read the Comp
Plan is before the Board of Supervisors and by September the master plan for the
Southern District would be before them. Two months ago she and her husband
came before the Commission to talk about Avon Park II and to give them maps,
pictures and things of that nature to show that they did not have all the information
when they made the decision at that particular time. At that point she believed the
Commission decided there was nothing they could do because they expected the
Comp Plan to be heard after the Avon Park II rezoning. However, the Avon Park II
rezoning has been deferred to September. She requested the Commission to
provide some comments along with the master draft if only to say they did not have
a lot of the information.
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There being no further public comment, the meeting moved to the next item.
Consent Agenda:
Approval of Minutes: April 9, 2013
Mr. Morris asked if any Commissioner wanted to pull an item from the consent agenda.
Motion: Mr. Lafferty moved and Mr. Randolph seconded for acceptance of the consent
agenda.
The motion carried by a vote of 7:0.
Mr. Morris noted the consent agenda item was approved.
Work Session
ZTA-2012-00012 Critical Slopes
Discussion on proposed amendments to the Critical Slopes regulations.
(Bill Fritz)
Bill Fritz presented a PowerPoint presentation to provide information and
recommendations for ZTA-2012-000012 Critical Slopes Section. (See PowerPoint
presentation)
There are some changes to the ordinance already identified that include some typos
and clerical errors, as well as the following:
- Section 30.7.2.a.2 has permitted uses on managed slopes. As written use 2 is in
conflict with use 1. Therefore, use 2 needs to be eliminated.
- Section 30.7.2.b.1 allows expansion of existing structures. That should only
apply to single-family attached and detached. So if they have a commercial
structure they can't automatically expand that into a preserved area. In those
cases where a waiver was granted previously staff would not have marked those
as preserved, but as managed so that the expansion can occur. But, in cases
where a waiver may have been granted and an area on the site plan was shown
not to be disturbed as part of that waiver they mark those as preserved. The
permitted expansion would only apply to single-family detached and attached
residential development.
- Section 30.7.3 says that grading must be setback from the property line, which
makes it impossible for developments that had multiple properties. Staff needs
to replace that with a clause that says "unless an easement or permission is
granted from the abutting property owner." If they have a large development with
multiple properties they are going to be grading across property lines. This
provision must be amended to allow grading to be closer to or cross property
lines with approval of the adjacent property owner. This is necessary to allow for
developments that involve multiple properties.
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- There are some other typographical or clarifying changes that do not change the
intent or the purpose of the ordinance.
Staff recommends that the Planning Commission review the proposed amendment and
provide staff with direction on possible revisions prior to scheduling a public hearing.
Mr. Morris invited questions for staff.
Ms. Monteith asked when will staff review the public comments received at the open
house and at what point will it be provided to the Commission. Staff indicated there
were no comments received during the open house that required any revisions.
Mr. Randolph questioned if any other localities have a points system in place for looking
at criteria for preserved critical slopes. Staff indicated that they found no other locality
that has managed and preserved critical slopes. They investigated the points system
and found it was unworkable and they were unable to develop a system to do that.
Mr. Morris opened the work session and invited public comment.
Public Comment
The following individuals made comments and recommendations:
yw Marcia Joseph, representative for Blake Hurt regarding Tax Map 32, parcels 22 and
22M, voiced concern that her email was not received by all Commissioners. All of the
comments in the email pertain to the referenced property. She asked the Commission
to consider her email comments and the following while reviewing the proposal for
amending the ordinance as it speaks to the treatment of critical slopes. (Attachment B —
Email to Planning Commission dated 8-12-13 from Marcia Joseph - See Attachments
on file with the printed minutes in the office of the clerk)
• The map accompanying the ordinance needs to be changed to be more
accurate. The WPO overlay needs to be removed.
• the land available for development will be reduced,
• the water flow will be concentrated,
• the benches created will certainly not reflect the existing character in Albemarle
County,
• Allowing the county engineer discretion to require additional drainage features
does not allow developers to know what the design standards are. It would be
good if the developers knew what the design standards were.
• Please consider some sort of mitigation with vegetation.
• Allow 10 foot retaining walls instead of 6 feet
• Remove setback requirements between commercial and industrial property.
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Valeria Long, attorney with Williams Mullen, said she has been monitoring this fairly
,. closely and talking with lots of their clients about the proposal and how it would impact
their projects. She said on the whole the ordinance proposal is very positive because it
definitely achieves the goal of trying to streamline the process and provide some
certainty to landowners and applicants about what is expected, what could be approved
and what would not be. However, she had a few suggestions about how it could be
improved, as follows.
• It would be helpful to clarify any property that is the subject of an approved
rezoning application plan, any type of a proffered plan, or something approved as
part of a special use permit. Any slope disturbance that is shown on that plan
should be respected and should be permitted regardless of whether it
subsequently shows up on the maps as a preserved slope. It would be helpful to
the landowners and development community that it is very clear that those types
of plans are approved.
• Suggested a more simple process for correcting any errors or technical issues
that are discovered after the ordinance is approved assuming it is approved. In
lieu of requiring a rezoning she would suggest that a field survey stamped and
sealed by a licensed professional should be more than adequate to correct any
of those technical errors. Likewise, if you have slopes that are shown on the
maps as preserved when the staff could agree that they should have been
managed slopes all along for whatever reason that should be something that is
an administrative process, which would save time and resources.
• Similarly there is a list of things that require a special use permit if there are
private facilities and a preserved slope. There is a pretty small list of things that
are even permitted. She suggested that category could be expanded or at least
say that it includes "things such as". Also, that process should be simpler and
not require a special use permit.
• The default should be that if the critical slopes were shown for disturbance on an
application plan, then they should be permitted for disturbance.
Ms. Long pointed out she has already uncovered a couple of areas just in her review
where slopes are shown for disturbance on an approved application plan but then
shown as preserved on the maps. That is where she would have some real concerns
because so much time and energy went into the rezoning process not just from the
applicant's side, but the County's side. It would be very difficult if all of a sudden those
plans were hindered because of this change. She thinks that should be clear since it
was intended. There is a clause that talks about County approvals or County actions. It
would be really helpful to the landowners and development community that it be very
clear that those types of plans are approved.
Ms. Long suggested a more simple process for correcting any errors or technical issues
that are discovered after the ordinance is approved assuming it is approved. If she
understands the text correctly if they discover after the fact either that your property has
slopes or is shown as having slopes on the map but you can show with a field survey
that actually it was not critical slopes that even if the staff agrees you have to go through
the rezoning process to do that. She would suggest that a field survey stamped and
sealed by a licensed professional should be more than adequate to correct any of those
technical errors. Likewise, if you have slopes that are shown on the maps as preserved
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when the staff could agree that they should have been managed slopes all along for
lloftw whatever reason that should be something that is an administrative process. If she
understands it correctly, it is not an administrative process. If everybody agrees that it
is a man-made slope and it was accidentally shown in purple on the map why make the
applicant go through a rezoning process to correct that. To the extent that it has to do
with the fact that it is an overlay zoning district and because of the St. Clair decision or
other reasons it has to be a rezoning she might suggest they then take a whole new
look at whether the overlay district concept is appropriate. She would hate to think
about the number of technical corrections that would have to come before the
Commission or the Board and the amount of resources that would be required to
address those types of problems.
Mr. Randolph requested to follow up with Ms. Long with a question. He asked Ms. Long
to cite an example of the approved rezoning plan properties she was talking about.
Ms. Long replied she was not comfortable citing a particular project right now until she
has had a chance to talk to the staff about it. There are a couple examples she has
found already that are on approved rezoning plans where buildings are shown on an
application plan and the slope is shown as preserved when technically not only should it
be but it is a man-made slope. There is a man-made slope there already and it was
proposed for a building to be located there, but those slopes are shown in purple. In one
case it is because it is somewhat near a body of water. So it may have been the default
reason. She thinks Mr. Fritz acknowledged that the scale of this mapping process is
significant and they certainly appreciate that. Her point was the default should be that if
they were shown for disturbance on an application plan they should be permitted for
disturbance. Many of the cases a critical slopes waiver was granted as part of a
rezoning, but that does not always happen. Not all applicants know to do that at the
time of a rezoning. Her fear is that you could get caught where you are not protected,
but yet you are required to build a road or something through there that is not otherwise
permitted.
Mr. Fritz pointed out in the conversations staff has had with 350 people he has told
people and mentioned it to Ms. Long and anyone else that that was the first crack at the
mapping and they welcome comments if people believe that an area should be
managed or preserved or changed. Staff would be more than happy to take another
look at that.
Neil Williamson, with Free Enterprise Forum, made the following comments:
• There is a clerical issue on Section 30.7.3.f where there is a sentence seeking a
verb for whatever the mission is.
• Clarify the intent on some things he has heard such as if he wanted to build the
first house of 4,000 square foot on a parcel, which would require the disturbance
of critical slope, and a 2,000 square foot home would not, would he be allowed to
build a 4,000 square foot home.
• Concerned with the language in the intent session regarding what he considers
being subjective judgment. For example, hill systems or significantly impact the
Entrance Corridor.
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• Raised several questions about whether the State Code for erosion and
sediment control, the regulations that follow and the performance standards that
now exist make the critical slopes ordinance obsolete and if it is time to consider
taking it out.
Morgan Butler, with Southern Environmental Law Center, said the concept is workable;
but, needs to take into consideration several areas of concern, as follows.
• Need to keep in mind that the Development Areas are where many of our most
impaired streams are located. While they may desire to make it easier to build
they also need to be mindful that the protections they are putting into place for
managed slopes are adequate to protect the streams from further degradation.
• Need to be mindful of the exceptions and the exemptions they are building into
the ordinance. The by right exemptions for preserved slopes, specifically the
exemption for public facilities, need to be tightened up and all alternatives need
to be considered.
• If they are considering exempting roads under this new ordinance, again, they
want to be sure that they are tightening up the situations where that is allowed.
He has given some specific suggestions to Mr. Fritz and would wait until there is
a revised version to go through those with the Commission.
• Concern with clause that says accessory uses on existing dwellings are being
allowed by right even on preserved slopes. As pointed out this is not allowed
under the current critical slopes ordinance. They are now classifying slopes and
have this group called preserved slopes that are supposed to be even more
valuable, more ecologically important and yet they are now allowing accessory
uses to occur by right on those. That is a concern because one of the accessory
uses mentioned was driveways. If they have an existing dwelling presumably
there is already a driveway there. So are they talking about being able to build
now a new driveway? This particular exemption seems to be problematic.
• Questioned the exemption for making all slopes managed slopes in all
circumstances where there has been a rezoning or approved application plan.
Mr. Butler further noted that tonight he has a new question that relates to a point that
Ms. Long brought up. Ms. Long is advocating the idea that if a rezoning has been
approved with an application plan showing a disturbance on the slope, then it should
just be assumed that slope is presumed to be a managed slope as opposed to a
preserved slope. One concern he has with that is he believed that several rezoning
have been approved in the past knowing that development would still need to get at one
point a critical slope waiver and more reasonably a special exemption to disturb critical
slopes. So he did not know that there is automatically an assumption that the approval
of a rezoning understood either explicit or implicit by the Board of Supervisors that any
slopes on that rezoned parcels were fair game. So he was not sure that exemption for
making all those slopes managed slopes in all circumstances where there has been a
rezoning.
There being no further public comment, Mr. Morris closed the public comment to bring
the matter before the Planning Commission for additional discussion.
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Mr. Franco said he had a couple of questions. Can a particular area of land be both a
critical slope and be a stream buffer. Does that mean if you came in and wanted to do
a disturbance you would need a special use permit for the stream buffer?
Mr. Fritz replied that he could have critical slope and floodplain and would need a
special use permit to do activity in the floodplain and permission to disturb the critical
slopes.
Mr. Franco said when the purple goes away there will be some slopes that are more
evident that were in the purple area.
Mr. Fritz replied yes because it would be easier to see the areas.
Mr. Franco asked the answer to the 4,000 square foot house versus the 2,000 square
foot house question that was asked.
Mr. Fritz replied they could build a 2,000 square foot house under the current ordinance
and the proposed ordinance if you can build a 2,000 square foot house. However, they
could not disturb the critical slopes. If you can build the house outside of the critical
slopes, then that is where you build it.
Mr. Franco said the same thing would apply to a 5,000 square foot house. He asked
how you determine the size.
Mr. Fritz replied obviously at some point there would have to be a determination of
whether or not that is a reasonable size for a dwelling. That is how the existing
ordinance works.
Mr. Franco asked what if they have a non residential lot and it is the first structure that is
being built on it.
Mr. Fritz replied there were two things. One, in developing the maps they purposely
paid attention to that with an eye towards not creating any unbuildable lots. The other
option would be is that they still have the variance. route open to them that there is no
reasonable use of the property. So they still have the variance route available to them if
the slopes are marked as preserved.
Mr. Dotson said he had a number of brief comments to consider. The first comment
would be that just in the staff report where talking about the purposes they say to add
predictability and to reduce costs. The reason he is interested in this is because of
making it easier to actually develop in the development area. He thinks in presenting
this that needs to be presented in that context.
Mr. Fritz noted that he did not include the resolution of intent. That is actually in the
resolution of intent. However, it is a good point for the staff report.
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Mr. Dotson said going to the draft text he gets confused on some of the definitions. It
says critical slopes are slopes other than managed and preserved slopes. Yet they are
calling this a critical slope overlay district.
Mr. Fritz replied if he had a better term staff would be happy to use it. The reason they
did that is because they have to remember that this only applies in the Development
Areas. So the rural areas will still have their critical slopes. So they needed to have a
definition where they could back out the managed and preserved so they are not also
called critical slopes and then they have two odd sets of regulations applying.
Mr. Dotson said not to wordsmith, but suggested to simply say "all critical slopes urban
and rural are critical slopes, but there are subcategories within the urban area." He
asked staff to consider it.
Mr. Fritz replied that staff would see what they could do.
Mr. Dotson said that it just seemed to conflict there.
Mr. Dotson said in the purpose and intent they suddenly start talking about steep slopes
and it seems like they should go back and talk about critical slopes because they never
define steep slopes. He found that confusing. In addition, on the bulleted criteria he
understands these are sort of explaining the basis of mapping. However, some of them
seem to trump others. Like the slopes shown to be preserved by a prior County action.
That seems to trump all the other criteria. So maybe just some tweaking of how those
are described so if there are sort of priorities or how conflicts are resolved maybe that
could be explained a little better. On the maps he gave the preserved and managed to
acreages. He added them up and for curiosity it was 27% is managed and 73% percent
is preserved. So it seems like this is not revolutionary. It is changing things on 27%.
Mr. Fritz said he has not actually added all the acreages together for all the
neighborhoods. He has done it per neighborhood, but not all of them together. That
does not sound like an out of line number.
Mr. Dotson commented that he was surprised that it was only 27%.
Mr. Fritz noted the numbers were all there and it can be done.
Mr. Dotson noted he had a couple of other last comments.
- In the section talking about public facilities he understands the importance of
public facilities that are linear being able to cross the areas of critical slope. He
mentioned that in item 5 he sort of borrowed some language from a variance.
His question was shouldn't that apply to other uses, too. For example, like this
house where there is not enough land left to build what they would recognize as
a house. It seems like some variance like procedure would be appropriate there,
too.
- Would they still have the possibility of somebody applying for a waiver or a
special exception or does this do away with that process. If somebody says yes,
they see the map it says preserved and here is my site development plan and
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there are lots of good reasons why he should not preserve it and he is going to
apply for a waiver or special exception the way he always have. He asked can
they still do that.
Mr. Fritz replied the options they would have available to them would be to apply for a
variance where they would then apply the variance criteria, which is a very high
standard. Or, they could apply for a rezoning to in essence to say they misapplied the
categories and this should not be preserved and they should be managed and this is
why. That is why the purpose and intent in the ordinance so they can be referred to
when somebody was making that application. It would be a much higher standard of
review over and above the existing special exception process. It would need to be
either a variance or a rezoning.
Mr. Dotson echoed Ms. Long's comment about technical corrections and some means
of administrative approval in order to handle those because he thinks they will come up.
That is just a couple of small points. He thinks the overall work is good work. He was
amazed they have been working on it as long as they have.
Mr. Fritz noted they took a bit of a break with staff reductions.
Mr. Smith said permitted uses/managed slopes does not have a page attachment H,
says provided that such plat has not expired. A plan can expire, but can a plat expire.
Mr. Fritz replied yes, a plat can expire just like a plan.
Mr. Franco noted that a preliminary plat could expire. A final plat would expire if it has
not been recorded.
Mr. Fritz agreed that a preliminary plat could expire. A final plat could expire in a year if
it was signed but not recorded.
Mr. Loach echoed Mr. Dotson's comment about developing a policy and procedure for
handling the requests of changes. Ms. Joseph also had a number of suggestions today.
He did not know what Mr. Fritz got out of the 350 phone calls, but he was sure there
was nothing there. There needs to be a procedure or way that people can address
issues that they may have and they get resolved in a timely manner.
Mr. Lafferty said it was a nice job for a tough subject.
In summary, the Planning Commission asked the following questions or provided these
comments:
• As this moves forward, not necessarily with this change, consider driveway
grades and road grades and how those things interact in potentially required
disturbances into critical slopes or into the slope areas.
• On the first page of attachment H in the definition or purpose and intent clarify
that in the end they will have a map and the map will be what defines the
area.
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• Supported idea of working on the approved application plans and slope
waivers to identify areas of critical slopes that were approved as part of the
plan in working on the map.
• Clarify retaining wall height being 6' visible or 4.5'. Supported 6' visible
retaining wall.
• Questioned how proposed ordinance would determine the size of the house
allowed when there is limited area.
• In the staff report where talking about the purposes they need to add
predictability and to reduce costs.
• Clarify definitions. It says critical slopes are slopes other than managed and
preserved slopes, yet they are calling this a critical slope overlay district.
• Consider adding the following wording, "all critical slopes urban and rural are
critical slopes, but there are subcategories within the urban area."
• In the purpose and intent they suddenly start talking about steep slopes and it
seems like they should go back and talk about critical slopes because they
never define steep slopes. It was confusing.
• Tweak bulleted criteria description to better explain if there are priorities or
how conflicts are resolved.
• In the section talking about public facilities the importance of public facilities
that are linear being able to cross the areas of critical slope is understood. In
item 5 language was borrowed from a variance. Questioned if that should
apply to other uses, too. For example, like this house where there is not
enough land left to build what they would recognize as a house. It seems like
some variance like procedure would be appropriate there, too.
• Would they still have the possibility of somebody applying for a waiver or a
special exception or does this do away with that process.
• Echoed Ms. Long's comment about technical corrections and some means of
administrative approval in order to handle those
• Develop procedure for requested changes so there is a way people can
address issues that they may have and they get resolved in a timely manner.
Mr. Morris asked Mr. Fritz if he had enough to go on, and Mr. Fritz replied that he did.
Mr. Morris apologized to Ms. Joseph that the email that she took time to send yesterday
was not in their possession. She did everything right, but unfortunately the Commission
did not have the time to look at it.
Mr. Loach suggested if there were substantial changes made from today's comments
that the Commission gets an update.
Next Steps in the Zoning Text Amendment Process
Mr. Fritz pointed out staff will take into consideration all comments received from the
Planning Commission and the public, including the Open House, to craft changes or
revisions to the draft ordinance. The changes will be brought back for review. If there
vavoare no substantial changes, staff will schedule the public hearing.
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Old Business:
Mr. Morris asked if there was any old business. There being none, the meeting moved
to the next item.
New Business
Mr. Morris asked if there was any new business.
• The next Planning Commission meeting will be held on Tuesday, August 20,
2013.
Adjournment:
With no further items, the meeting adjourned at 7:05 p.m. to the Tuesday, August 20,
2013 meeting at 6:00 p.m. at the County Office Building, Second Floor, Room #241,
401 McIntire Road, Charlottesville, Virginia.
V. Wayne Cilir-Kberg, Secretary
(Recorded and transcribed by Sharon C. Taylor, Clerk to Planning Cession &
Planning Boards)
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