HomeMy WebLinkAbout10 16 84 PC MinutesOctober 16, 1984
The Albemarle County Planning Commission conducted a public hearing
on Tuesday, October 16, 1984, Meeting Room 7, County Office Build-
ing, Charlottesville, Virginia. Those members present were:
Mr. Richard Cogan, Vice -Chairman; Mr. Richard Gould; Mr. James
Skove; Mr. Harry Wilkerson; Mr. Tim Michel and Ms. Norma Diehl.
Other officials present were: Ms. Katherine Imhoff, Chief of
Community Development; Ms. Mary Joy Scala, Senior Planner;
Ms. Marcia Joseph, Planner; Ms. Amelia McCulley, Planner; Ms.
Patricia Cooke, Ex-Officio; and Mr. Frederick Payne, Deputy
County Attorney. Absent: Mr. David Bowerman, Chairman.
Mr. Cogan called the meeting to order at 7:35 p.m. after estab-
lishing that a quorum was present.
Mr. Cogan explained that due to a mix-up in mailing, the following
three issues would be heard October 23, 1984 rather than at this
meeting: Federal Express Site Plan; Fall Fields Preliminary Plat;
and The Commons at Georgetown Site Plan. He apologized for the
error.
The minutes of the October 2, 1984 meeting were approved as written.
SP-84-62 ETHEL MARTIN - Request to locate an individual mobile home
on the east side of Route 601, about 1/2 mile south of Free Union.
Property contains 93.32 acres and is zoned RA, Rural Areas. Tax
Map 29, Parcel 45. White Hall Magisterial District.
Ms. Imhof gave the staff report. She added that the two objections
that had been raised had been withdrawn (one in writing and one
by phone).
Mr. Cogan asked for comment from the applicant.
Mr. Earl Martin, son of the applicant, addressed the Commission.
He emphasized his mother's need for the mobile home because of
poor health (making her unable to climb stairs) and also because
of the poor condition of the present dwelling (i.e. inadequate
heat, poor wiring, lack of hot water, etc.).
It was determined the mobile home had been placed approximately
90' back from Route 601.
Mr. Cogan invited public comment.
Mr. Edward Bain, Jr., Attorney for the Goods, addressed the
Commission and stated his clients were withdrawing their objection.
There being no further public comment, the matter was placed
before the Commission.
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Ms. Imhoff again stated that the other objection (that of the
Whitley's) had also been withdrawn (via phone). She added
that this request would not have come before the Commission
had it not been for those two objections.
Ms. Diehl moved that SP-84-62 for Ethel Martin be recommended
to the Board of Supervisors for approval subject to the following
conditions:
(1) Compliance with 5.6.2 of the Zoning Ordinance.
(2) Screening from Rt. 601 to the reasonable satisfaction of
the Zoning Administrator.
Mr. Wilkerson seconded the motion which was unanimously approved.
This matter was scheduled to be heard by the Board of Supervisors
on October 17, 1984.
WORK SESSIONS
Interstate Interchange Study - Ms. Diehl moved that this item be
deferred until October 30, 1984. Mr. Wilkerson seconded the
motion which was unanimously approved.
Piedmont Corridor.Proposal - Ms. Imhoff gave the staff report.
She pointed out.that the Commission was not being asked to take
any type of action on this proposal.
Ms. Imhoff presented maps and aerial photographs of the proposed
corridor. She stated this proposal.was initiated by requests
from interests,in the Danville -Lynchburg area in order to
provide a north -south route between Frederick, MD and Greensboro,
NC. She stated this was in very preliminary planning stages and
that it was not intended that it be.developed according to Interstate
standards, but instead according to the standards of the state
primary road system. She stressed that the proposal., including
the actual route of the corridor, was only in the initial stages
and has received no official endorsement. She stated the next
step was for the Highway Department to prepare a document describing
this proposal which would be reviewed by the Highways Department's
Department of Quality Division. The next step would then be
completion of an engineering and environmental study which would
then be presented (within a few months) to local officials.
Public hearings would be held at later dates. She stated that
neither the proposed alignment, nor the environmental impact,
have yet been examined. She added that if final approval is
ultimately obtained, actual construction is scheduled to begin
in approximately 30 years. She stated no funds have presently
been allocated for this project. She explained that,the design
of the corridor's alignment in Albemarle County has not yet been
determined, but that it would consist of a four -lane divided
highway with a varying right-of-way of 120' to 2001; it would
be composed of 21 miles of new roadway, of which approximately
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17.5 miles are located within the South Fork Rivanna Watershed;
it would also include 8 miles of improvements to Rt. 29S; in its
present conceptual stage the corridor would follow the existing
alignment of U.S. Rt. 29 to the North Garden area where it
branches due north at the intersection of state Rt. 801, proceeding
north parallelling Rt.710 and Rt. 708 through Taylor's Gap sub-
division, it then proceeds northeast through Rosemont Farm and
the existing I64 and Rt. 637 interchange, continuing northeast
between Greencroft and Kearsarge. From its intersection with
U.S. Rt. 250W, the corridor is approximately 3.5 miles from the
City of Charlottesville corporate limits. From its intersection
with Rt. 250, it parallels Ivy creek, passing east of the West
Leigh and Candlewyck subdivisions and west of the Ivy Creek and
Flordon subdivisions, it then proceeds north towards the Foxfield
Racetrack, passing through the racetrack and bisecting Routes
601, 676 and the South Fork Rivanna Reservoir, from there passing
directly through the Fairgrove Subdivision and Mallard Lake
Subdivision, it continues northeast coming within 1/3 mile of
the Earlysville Village Center, passing through The Pines
Subdivision and within 400' of Broadus Wood Elementary School,
it then parallels Rt. 743 going east to the Advance Mills area,
it then crosses Rt. 743 approximately 1,200 feet north of Advance
Mills and then leaves Albemarle County between Advance Mills
Subdivision and Rt. 641, rejoining U.S. Rt. 29N in Greene County.
Mr. Gould joined the meeting at 7:50 p.m.
Ms. Imhoff stated that the proposed route is very preliminary
and could vary by many miles or not develop at all. She stated
the person to contact in order to make comments on the proposal
was Mr. Harold King, Commissioner of Highways and Transportation,
1221 East Broad Street, Richmond, VA, 23210. She added that
the Board of Supervisors had also invited letters be sent to
them where they would be collected and then sent on to the Highway
Department.
Mr. Cogan asked if staff was aware of what impact county authorities
would have on the State Highway Department regarding this particular
study. Ms. Imhoff indicated she did not know the answer to this
but that she would look into the matter. She did state that public
hearings would be held in each locality affected by the proposal.
She did feel more of this type decision was made at the State
level.
Ms. Cooke commented that at a meeting of the Metropolitan Planning
Organization, this same question had come up. She'said that
organization had been told frankly that regardless of the amount
of local input, the final decision was up to the Highway Department
(or at the State level). She stated the members of the MPO had
found this to be unsettling. She added that it had been pointed
out at this meeting that the proposed route went directly through
the Watershed, and even though the State authorities indicated they
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were not aware of this, the later aerial studies still showed
the road going through the Watershed.
Mr. Cogan felt that the drawing of one line,17k miles through the
Watershed, would undo so much of what the County had worked to
accomplish in the -last several years, including the conservation
of rural areas. He indicated he was opposed to the proposed
route. Mr. Cogan also questiorel whether it would actually be
30 years before this project was realized. He felt the
Commission needed to be kept aware of this situation and should
pursue all means that are available to impact on this particular
study.
Mr. Payne stated that the statute relating to this question
(i.e., who has ultimate domain in the final decision) was
15.1-457 and that it did give this power to the State. However,
he added that while the statute reserves the right of any state
agency to carry out its authority, it also requires state
agencies to furnish reasonable inforration requested by the
Commission (not the Board of Supervisors) relative to the plans
of the agency which might affect the Comprehensive Plan. He
added that the agency (the Highway Department in this case) is
required to collaborate andcooperate with the Commission in
the preparation of the Comprehensive Plan "to -the end that
the Plan will coordinate the interests and responsibilities
of all concerned." He interpreted this to mean that the .
agency does not have to do what the Commission says, but if
reasonable information is requested by the Commission and
the agency does not comply, or furnishes inaccurate information,
this would be unlawful.
It was determined that a copy of the map showing the proposed
route of the corridor was available to the public from the
Planning Office at a cost of $.25/copy.
It was determined that the 30-year time frame mentioned was
not official, but had come from various discussions and from
newspaper articles.
Mr. Michel asked if the newspaper statement which said that
local -authorities had very little input in this matter since
it was not in the urban area, was correct. He also asked
if this was a .Mate or a Yederal project.
Ms. Imhoff responded that it was a state project and she did
not feel that the fact that it was rural area vs. urban area
made any difference.
Ms. Imhoff suggested that a letter be drafted to the Highway
Department at this time inquiring into some of the questions
raised.
Mr. Cogan agreed with this suggestion and also asked Ms. Imhoff
to try to find out how much money had been allotted for this
initial study since he felt this would be a good indication
of how imminent this proposal was.
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Mr. Cogan.concluded by asking Ms. Imhoff to keep the Commission
and the public informed of developments as they occur.
Sidewalks in Approved Development - Review of several developments.
Request for guidance.
Mr. Maynard Elrod, County Engineer, gave the report. He stated
that the Highway Department's recent decision to implement its
policy relating to sidewalk maintenance (passed in 1981) has
resulted in the following:
The Highway Department will not allow the following subdivisions
to have sidewalks in the Highway Department right-of-way unless
the County or some other perpetual organization guarantees
maintenance: (Note: These projects have already been approved
by the Planning Commission subject to the use of sidewalks.)
(1) Riverrun (Riverrun and Dentree Drives) - Will
accept only those walks already built.
(2) Raintree Subdivision (Old Brook Road) - Will
accept only the walk already constructed in
Section One.
(3) Willow Lake Subdivision (Island Court and Maple
Place).
(4) Squire Hills II (Hillsboro Drive and Mall Drive)
Will accept Mall Drive only.
(5) Heritage Acres (Hillsboro Drive).
The following projects are acceptable for Highway Department
maintenance either because they are eligible under the VDH&T
policy or because they were approved prior to the 1981 policy
change:
(1) Biltmore Arms Road (the public road portion)
(2) Hydraulic Road Garden Court Townhouses (along
Hydraulic Road)
(3) Riverbend Drive
(4) Sachem Village (Whitewood Road)
(5) South Pantops Drive
(6) Pepsi Drive
(7) Greenbrier Drive (Branchlands PUD)
(8) Briarwood (Austin and Briarwood Drives)
The following projects were approved by the Highway Department
for maintenance and have already been constructed. Though they
do not meet the policy requirements, the Resident Engineer will
recommend to the District Office that they be accepted if the
County will request a waiver of the policy.
(1) Fieldbrook Subdivision (Old Brook Road)
(2) Raintree Subdivision I (Old Brook Road)
(3) Village Square I
(4) Wynridge Subdivision (Westfield Drive)
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Mr. Elrod pointed out that the Commission should direct their
concern to the first group listed (those that the Highway.
Department will not accept) and also he requested the Commission
to adopt a resolution requesting a waiver from Highway
Department policy in regard tothe last group listed.
Mr. Elrod then presented maps showing the location of those
sidewalks in the first group which had been approved by the
Commission but will not be accepted by the Highway Department.
It was determined that generally the Highway Department will
accept for maintenance those sidewalks that are close to
schools and will be used by children to walk to school, or
those that are in, or adjacent to, a commercial area.
Mr. Elrod stated that in some of these cases, it had been suggested
to the developer that the sidewalks be moved outside of the
Highway Department right-of-way.
In response to Ms. Diehl's question as to the difference between
having it maintained by an outside organization whether it was
in the right-of-way or not, Mr. Elrod stated that if it was in
Highway Department right-of-way, a bond would.have to be posted.
Mr. Cogan stated that the suggestion of moving some of the
walks outside of the right-of-way might not be feasible in all
cases because of the limited size of the lots.
Mr. Elrod said that it might be possible in some cases to leave
the sidewalks where they are and reduce the size of the right-
of-way since some of the developers had made these right-of-ways
wider than what was required.
Mr. Cogan stated he felt it would be difficult to keep track of
who was maintaining what, because of .the "hop-skotching" affect
of the placement.of these walks. He also commented on the fact
that a Public Works Department might be needed.
Mr. Elrod stated that Mr. Donnelly had suggested that if the
county did accept the maintenance of some of these walks, it
should be done on a contract basis. (It was also mentioned
that in some cases a Homeowners Association would probably
eventually be responsible for this maintenance.)
Mr. Cogan stated that since this would involve tax dollars, it
should be studied carefully to see how badly sidewalks were needed
in some cases.
Mr. Cogan indicated that he felt an.apartment complex (e.g. Squire
Hill) was a commercial usage.
Mr.. Elrod stated he was unclear regarding the Highway Department's
rationale in this issue.
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Mr. Cogan stated that if sidewalks were going to be placed outside
of right-of-ways, it might be necessary to adjust lot size and
set -back requirements.
In response to Ms. Diehl's question, Mr. Elrod .confirmed that he
felt some solution could be reached in all of the subdivisions
listed in the first group with the exception of Willow Lake
which had severe grade problems.
Ms. Diehl stated she would be in favor of working something out
(regarding Willow Lake), but that she would be reluctant to negate
the sidewalk requirement in the other four subdivisions in question.
Mr. Cogan stated his feeling that some sort of uniformity should
be adhered to in dealing with these matters.
Mr. Skove moved that the Commission request a waiver of Highway
Department policy relating to sidewalk maintenance in the
following subdivisions: Fieldbrook Subdivision (Old Brook Road),
Raintree Subdivision I (Old Brook Road), Village Square I, and
Wynridge Subdivision (Westfield Drive), and that said request
be submitted to the Highway Department.
Ms. Diehl seconded the motion..
Ms. Diehl stated she still did not understand why the Commission
was having to request this waiver since the Highway Department
had already approved these sidewalks. Mr. Elrod stated it was
his understanding that they had been approved inadvertantly.
The motion was unanimously approved.
Mr. Cogan stated an overall long-range plan was needed to deal
with these issues in the future. In response to Mr. Elrod's
question, Mr. Cogan felt it was desirable to wait until such a
plan was developed before dealing with the first group of
subdivisions (as listed previously), if possible.
Mr. Elrod stated that Raintree and Squire Hill, and possibly
Heritage, were the most pressing.
Mr. Payne stated he felt the County's authority for maintaining
sidewalks was very limited. He said the only authority for
spending County money on a part of the highway, of which he
was aware, was a few scattered statutes in Title 33 (Code of
Virginia). He pointed out that the statutes had been in
existence for a long time and he did not think the Board had
ever used them. He concluded by saying he was not aware of
any general authority for the County to maintain sidewalks,
and if the County was going to get into this area, he felt
this would be a major policy decision of the Board.
_ In response to Mr. Michel's question pertaining to the Highway
Department's.liability in regard to sidewalks, Mr. Payne stated
the County had no liability, but it was possible that the
Highway Department could be held liable.
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Mr. Payne stated he felt this problem to .be analogous to the
private roads issue in terms of'maintenance.
In response to Ms. Diehl's inquiry, Ms. Scala stated the present
Ordinance requires sidewalks in developments of 2 units/acre or
more.
Mr. Cogan stated he was. in agreement with Mr. Skove that the
sidewalks would have to be placed outside of Highway Department
right-of-way and developers would have to adjust their lines
to accommodate the sidewalks. He pointed out that this was for
future issues and.did not apply to the five developments being
presently discussed since they have already begun and had their
plans approved.
Mr. Payne stated his feeling that this could involve some fairly
sophisticated questions regarding how the easements for these
sidewalks were drafted. In view.of this, he stated he was
not entirely sure that the Highway Department technically had.
the right to.prohibit sidewalks in.their right-of-way. He
pointed out that technically the statute says that when a road is
shown.as being dedicated to public use in a subdivision, the fee
goes to the county,and the law states that the county holds it
as trustee for all the people of the Commonwealth. That being
the case, Mr. Payne questioned the Highway Department's right
to keep sidewalks out of the right-of-way. He added, he felt
it was clearly their right not to accept the maintenance of
such walks.
Mr. -Payne felt a logical way to deal with this would be to plat
a right-of-way dedicated to public use for vehicular traffic
and at the same time plat a right-of-way dedicated to public use
for pedestrian traffic.
Mr. Payne said the Highway Department might be able to tell a
developer he could not put a sidewalk in their right-of-way,
but he felt they could not prohibit the county from doing so.
Mr. Elrod confirmed that the Commission was requesting that
he attempt to work out an agreement with the developers of the
five subdivisions in question wherein they would place the
sidewalks outside the right-of-way, trying to place them in
a position that would, as near as possible, achieve the same
purpose, and that either they (the developer) or a Homeowners
Association would be responsible for..the maintenance of the
walks. If such an agreement could not be worked out, the
developers. would have to come before the Planning Commission
again.
The meeting recessed at 8:52 p.m., reconvening at 9:10,p.m.
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Presentation of Metropolitan Planning Organization Fiscal Year
1985 Unified Work Program -.Description of County's involvement
in area -wide transportation planning. Discussion of on -going
activities and studies such as Transportation System Management,
Intersection Interchange Study, and Comprehensive Information
System; as well as the review of proposed projects such as
Pedestrian Obstacle Study, Transportation Analyses, and County
Transit -Alternatives. Request for future direction for
transportation planning.
Ms. Imhoff gave the staff report.
She stated the Metropolitan Planning Organization (MPO) was just
one area of responsibility for the Division of Community.
Development and that she would be presenting a synopsis of all the
other Divisions's projects at a later date.
She defined the MPO as follows: "The organization is a forum for
state and local officials formed to facilitate cooperative decision
making on transportation issues that transcend jurisdictional
boundaries, regional significance and impact. It is the forum
fcr the continuing, cooperative, coordinating (The 3 C's) of the
transportation planning process." The need for such an organ-
ization is based on the requirement by the Secretary of
Transportation that no projects will be approved in urbanized
areas unless they are based on a continuing and comprehensive
transportation planning process carried out cooperatively by the
state and local communities. This is the basis for the funding that this
locality receives from the Federal government. She stated the Charlottes-
ville -Albemarle area qualified as an urban area as a result of
the 1980 census. She added the present MPO is based upon a 1982
agreement, created as a federal effort, but she stated this area
had what functioned as an MPO prior to that time, namely the
Charlottesville Area Transportation Study (CATS).
Ms. Imhoff continued, stating that in order to get Federal Highway
Funds (FHWA) and Urban Mass Transit Administration (UMTA)funds, a
MPO is required to review transportation improvement projects.
She added that though the Department of Highways and Transportation
controls these projects, the State of Virginia is responsible for the
actual funding allocation and the local MPO is responsible for
coming up with projects. She stated there to be three areas of
focus: (1) Highways (Road Plannincjl; (2) Transit Planning; and
(3) Para -Transit Planning. Funding is based on two major
thrusts: transit planning and road construction. Funding for
transit planning comes from FHWA and UMTA funding; funding for
road construction comes from taxes (trucks and gasoline).
She stated that the County does have to match funding that is
received from the Federal government.
Ms. Imhoff explained the local MPO is responsible for planning
and administering the money that is received. She said the
local MPO is made of two groups: (1) The Policy Committee;
and (2) The Technical Committee. She stated one function of the
MPO-is to set up guidelines forsocial agency use of local
vans (e.g. JAUNT). Currently the MPO is mandated to prepare a
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transportation improvement plan for transportation
improvement projects. She also stated that funding could not
be obtained..unless a Unified.Work Program was.done each year.
She also stated that a Transportations Systems Management Program
was strongly encouraged.
Ms. Imhoff continued her report, stating that past projects of
the MPO have.included the Secondary Road P1an.and the Facilities
Inventory. She stated two projects undertaken last year are
still being worked on: (1) Transportation Systems Management
Program; and (2) Interchange Intersection Study. She stated
reports on these two projects were scheduled to be reviewed
by the Commission in the near future. She pointed out that.because
these two projects were not completed last year within their
alloted time frame, they are now being funded by the County.
She stated that it was hoped that future projects could be com-
pleted under the timetable. She noted that while some funding
can be deferred for a while, other funding must be used within
the year it is given or it is lost.
Ms. Imhoff then called the Commission's attention to some of the
various topics outlined on the report that had been presented
to them. (Said report outlined the Division of Community
Development's responsibilities in working with the MPO.)
She called attention to Section 1.3, the Unified work Program,
stating this to be a list of programs to be undertaken each
year and inviting suggestions from the Commissioners regarding
projects they would like to see reviewed. Ms. Imhoff suggested
the sidewalk problem with the Highway Department just discussed
might be a possible project of the MPO.
Ms. Imhoff also.called attention to Section 2.1.1 of the report,
Route 29 North - Eastern Bypass, stating that at the time the
CATS Study was done, it was suggested that a solution to the
traffic problems on Rt. 29N might be to develop a 29N Bypass.
She stated this study did not.recommend that a western bypass be
adopted, but rather than other solutions be examined. She
added that when this western bypass idea was deleted in the CATS
document, a deficiency was left in that study, and the.MPO has
been working on possible alternatives to a western bypass.
Ms. Imhoff continued stating that currently the CATS study is
being made ready for publication. In regard to this, she
asked the Commissioners what type of document would be preferred,
i.e. a technical document or a synposis of the study. She asked
what would be most useful to the Commission and she also asked
if the Commission would desire to review the preliminary design
of the project before it was put out to bid. She also asked
for input from the Commission as to whether an attempt should be
made to amend the deficiency in the study relating to Rt. 29N
or should the Division proceed with publication knowing a de-
ficiency.exists.
Referring to Section 2.2.2, Pedestrian Obstacles, of the
report, Ms. Imhoff stated this was scheduled to be reviewed
by the Commission on October 30. (She noted that a.Sidewalk
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Plan had been written in 1979 but was never adopted.)
Referring to Section 3.4, Transportation Analysis Plans, she
stated she felt this was an area where the Planning Commission
could offer a lot of direction. (She noted that 29N and
the sidewalk issue would be appropriate items to review under
this heading.)
Referring to Section 4.1, Comprehensive Information System,
she stated the Division is currently collecting 70 pieces
of information on each of the 25,000 parcels of land in
Albemarle County 'and this information was being computerized.
Mobile Home Study - Addendum Report #1 responding to Planning
Commission request for additional information/study.
Ms. Scala gave the staff report.
In response to Mr. Michel's question regarding developer interest,
Ms. Scala replied that she believed some interest has been shown,
but she could not say how much of this would actually be followed
through. She added that the market need did exist and that some
developers were trying to find a location.
In response to Mr. Cogan's inquiry regarding recommendation No. 8
(Current regulations governing replacement of non -conforming mobile
homes should be relaxed to permit newer, larger units by right.),
Ms. Scala confirmed that this referred to mobile homes which are
on individual lots rather than those in parks. Mr. Cogan questioned
whether this belonged in this particular study, saying he felt
individual units should be segregated from the mobile home park
study. Ms. Scala stated that while this might be true, the entire
section of the Ordinance dealing with mobile homes was going to
be amended. She added that it could be removed from this study,
but followed up on at a later time.
Referring to recommendation No. 1 (It is recommended that the
Zoning Ordinance be amended to permit mobile home parks by special
use permit in the R-4, R-6, R-10 and R-15 zones, in addition to
the VR and RA zones.), Mr. Skove questioned why the R-1 and R-2
zones were not included. Ms. Scala responded that this was
based on the typical density of a mobile home park being incom-
patible with the R-1 and R-2 zones. It was her feeling that
there would be no interest in developing a mobile home park at
the lower densities.
Mr. Michel stated his agreement with Mr. Cogan regarding recom-
mendation No. 8. He added he was somewhat concerned about
mobile home parks being allowed in the RA zones, though he
said it was his understanding that they would be encouraged
to develop elsewhere.
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Mr. Cogan pointed out that recommendation No. 1 was by "special
use permit."
Mr. Payne stated that whether a mobile home development was
a "park" or a "subdivision", the impact on the rural area was basic-
ally the same, but this might not be the case for the urban area
because of the renter vs. ownership character of the use.
Ms. Diehl indicated her agreement with Mr. Cogan regarding
recommendation No. 8 being deleted. She added, referring
to recommendation No. 2 (.. Mobile home parks and subdivisions
should be permitted in fringe areas near growth areas under the
following conditions:...), that "should be" should be changed
to "may be."
Both Mr. Cogan and Ms. Diehl again stated their feeling that it
was still very unlikely that these parks would develop in the
R-4 districts because of the economic disadvantages.
Referring to recommendation No. 6 (Expansion of existing parks
in growth areas should be encouraged. The disadvantages of ex-
panding an existing large park over 50 spaces must be weighed
against theadvantages of an established location.), Ms. Diehl
asked if any information were available on optimum size. Ms.
Scala responded that she did not have any concrete information,
everything being simply opinion.'
Mr. Cogan commended the staff for their work on this study.
it was determined that staff was asking the Commission to endorse
the recommendations (amending"them if desired), so that staff
could proceed with developing amendments to the Ordinance.
Mr. Cogan stated his agreement with the recommendations with
the changes that had been discussed (i.e., deleting No. 8 and
changing "should" to "may" in No. 2).
Mr. Skove stated his feeling that R-1 and R-2 should be included
in recommendation No. 1. In regard.to this, Ms. Scala said
that her research had indicated that mobile home parks should be
located adjacent to uses with similar densities.
Mr. Cogan said he felt it would be preferable to omit mobile
home subdivisions from R- band R-2, rather than allow mobile
home parks in those zones.
Mr. Payne pointed out the reason for this, explaining one reason
mobile home subdivisirnswere permitted essentially everywhere
was because it was felt that if conventional dwellings were
allowed, the character of the subdivision might change over time,
i.e. some of the owners could eventually build a conventional
home on their lot.. (This would not be allowed in a mobile home
park.)
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Mr. Cogan stated he did not necessarily agree with this reasoning,
but that he did agree with Mr. Skove that some inconsistency
did exist. He added he was more inclined to remove subdivisions
from R-1 and R-2, rather than put parks in R-1 and R-2.
Mr. Michel stated his concern with allowing mobile home parks
in the RA zone.
Mr. Cogan stated his feeling that places may exist in the county
where the parks would be suitable. He emphasized that they
would be allowed by "special use permit."
In an attempt to clarify what was being discussed, Mr. Cogan
pointed out that mobile home subdivisions are already allowed
in R-1 and R-2 zones, but mobile home parks are not. He
stated it was his understanding that Mr. Skove would like to
see parks allowed in R-1 and R-2 also, by special use permit.
The other Commissioners indicated they would not be in favor
of adding parks to the R-1 and R-2 zones at this time.
Ms. Diehl moved that the following recommendations of staff
regarding the mobile home study be approved:
1. It is recommended that the Zoning Ordinance be amended
to permit mobile home parks by special use permit in the
R-4, R-6, R-10 and R-15 zones, in addition to the VR
and RA zones.
2. Mobile home parks and subdivisions should be encouraged
to locate in the urban area and communities where public
utilities are available.
Mobile home parks and subdivisions may be permitted in
fringe areas near growth areas under the following
conditions:
a. The site is not within a reservoir watershed;
b. The site can be served by public utilities;
C. Such development is consistent with County
goals and objectives and rezoning criteria;
d. The Comprehensive Plan is amended as necessary.
3_ Delete recommendation to subsidize the extension of
utilities until the larger question of low and moderate
income housing is studied.
4. It is not recommended that current mobile home park reg-
ulations be relaxed. To the contrary, if the Zoning
Ordinance is amended to permit parks in higher density
zones in growth areas, the regulations should be expanded
and made specific, in order to better protect residents
of both the park and of nearby areas, and to promote a
safe and well -maintained development. An Application
Plan should be required as part of the special use
permit application.
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5. Small developments (under 50 spaces) in various locations
in growth areas should be encouraged.
6. Expansion of existing parks in growth areas should be
encouraged. The disadvantages of expanding an existing
large park over 50 spaces must be weighed against the
advantages of an established location.
7. Mobile home developments in rural areas should be.
limited to small developments not exceeding 20 units,
as recommended by the Comprehensive Plan. .Densities
should be similar to those required for conventional
dwellings.
Mr. Michel seconded the motion which was approved with the
following vote; Messrs. Cogan, Wilkerson, Michel and Gould and
Ms. Diehl voting,in .favor, and Mr. Skove voting against. (Mr.
Bowerman was absent.)
Planning Commission. Meeting Schedule - Request for endorsement
of staff proposal.
Ms. Scala gave the staff report. She stated the biggest change
in the schedule was that site plans would be reviewed by the
Commission on the second and fourth Tuesdays.
Mr. Cogan stated he felt a review of the Charter of the Commission
was needed in order to determine priorities.
Mr. Payne stated the Commission was charged with dealing with
all these matters, but it could determine where to put the
priorities. He suggested the Commission might want to consider
implementing a Committee system.
Mr. Cogan said he did not feel the "streamlining" was actually
saving the Commission any time, unless it would eventually
lead to less review of some matters being needed by the Commission,
while at the same time devising a way to keep the public adequately
informed. He felt more time could be saved in this regard by
permitting more staff approval.
Ms. Imhoff stated the Community Development Division, of its own
volition, had begun bringing matters to the Commission in order
to gain additional input. She said it was not required that
some of these matters be reviewed by the Commission and that
it might be preferable to have those members of the Corunission
who are more interested in long-range planning work with staff.
Mr. Cogan stated a determination of priorities was called for
to determine whether the Community Development Division needed
more time in exchange for giving staff more power of approval..
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Mr. Michel stated he would find it helpful when Community Devel-
opment matters were reviewed by the Commission, for staff to be
very specific and make quite clear exactly what was being asked
of the Commission.
Mr. Cogan stated he felt that much of the material would need to
be condensed and summarized before it was brought before the
Commission.
Ms. Imhoff indicated she would.attempt to incorporate these ideas
into her planning.
It was determined a motion was not required on this issue.
Mr. Cogan, deviating from the agenda schedule, stated he had
given a citizen permission to address the Commission. He added
he had also informed the citizen the best way to handle his
concerns, was to process them through the normal channels.
Mr. Craig Van de Castle addressed the Commission and expressed
his concern regarding landscaping being done in the
Ingleside development on Garth Road. (Note: Mr.Van de Castle referred
to this development as Waverly; but it was later determined
that it was actually Ingleside.) Mr. Van De Castle's concern dealt
with the fact that most of the trees on both sides of the highway
have been removed.
Mr. Michel said he too had been aware of this and had discovered
that the trees were in the Highway Department right-of-way and
were removed to allow for a "turn lane." It was also pointed out
that this had been approved (the development) before the new
Zoning Ordinance. It was also determined that this was not an issue
the Commission would have addressed.
OLD BUSINESS
Riverrun - Recreation Plan - for review and information.
Ms. Scala gave the staff report. She stated this matter was being
brought back to the Commission for two reasons, the first being in order to
meet a requirement of Riverrun Phase VII, Revised Site Plan
(approved 1/24/84)--the third phase to be developed --which stated
that recreational amenities shall be provided by the time the
third building phase is ready for occupancy and the amount of
of the facilities (50 sq. ft./unit) shall be determined by the
number of units to be completed at the end of the third building
phase. At this time recreational equipment and details
on the clubhouse and pool shall be approved by the staff.
She reminded the Commission that in January, the developer had
proposed a jogging trail, etc. but had dropped the proposal of
the pool. The Commission objected to that change and required
that the proposal for a pool be fulfilled. Thus, to satisfy this
requirement, the applicant is submitting the current plan.
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The second reason for reviewing the plan at this time was because
the original site plan (approved 9/15/81) had shown a slightly 41
different road layout.
Ms. Scala stated that while staff was ready to approve this
recreation plan, they wanted the Commission to be aware that
it was a slightly different layout. She stated the developer
has been, and would like to continue, submitting final site plans
for each phase, asking for revision of the original plan at that
time. She added the change being shown at this time was actually
an improvement in the road location from the original site plan.
Ms. Scala explained the current recreation plan includes a jogging
trail, play areas (frisbee, etc.), a riverfront area, and a pool.
(Ms. Scala indicated these areas on a map.)
It was determined that the Phase VII site plan had been approved
and the developer needed to meet this current requirement to
obtain a Certificate of Occupancy. It was also determined that
Phase IV was scheduled to be the last section developed and the
pool will be done at that time. y
In response to Ms. Diehl's inquiry., Ms. Scala stated that the
original approval had stated: "By the time the third phase is
ready to be occupied, recreational equipment and details on the
clubhouse and pool shall be approved by the staff." She pointed
out that it was not stated that the pool had to be completed
by that time, but that it should be in the making. She said
the developer had agreed to build the pool and she felt.this
met the requirements.
Mr. Cogan indicated the Commission had no problems with this
matter.and left it in the hands of staff.
Church of Blue Ridge Final Plat_ - Request for administrative approval
of expired plat.
Ms. Imhoff gave the staff report. She stated the plat had been
approved in 1979 subject to typical conditions. She said the
applicant did record the plat, but had failed to get the
necessary signatures. She added that subsequently the applicant
had met all the conditions of approval and obtained most
signatures, but had failed to get the Deputy County Attorney's
signature due to a lack of understanding as to exactly what
was required. She stated the applicant was now trying to .
rectify this situation in order to have the plat legally recorded.
She stated that four of the five lots in the subdivision have
been sold.
Mr. Payne stated that the problem with this matter is that the
plat has expired and the staff cannot sign it without the
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Mr. Michel moved that the Commission authorize staff to approve
the Final Plat of the Church of the Blue Ridge.
Mr. Wilkerson seconded the motion which was unanimously approved.
There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at 10:30 p.m.
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