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Home My WebLink AboutSUB201900029 Correspondence 2019-02-21 (2)Patricia "Paty" Saternye From: Jennifer Smith - CDD - Planning Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 3:28 PM To: Patricia Saternye Subject: RE: SUB2019-29 Lot D1-D7 TMP 43-18D recent submission Ok. Thank you! Jen From: Patricia Saternye Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 3:24 PM To: Jennifer Smith - CDD - Planning <jsmith2@albemarle.org> Subject: FW: SUB2019-29 Lot DI-D7 TMP 43-18D recent submission Jen, Below please see the applicants request for a fee reimbursement for SUB201900029 Lot D1-D7 TMP 43-18D — Rural Subdivision. They submitted the plat under the wrong type of review. They will be resubmitting, under a different number and application type, probably next week. Thanks, Paty Saternye Senior Planner Community Development 2 u •,YQaI�*, Albemarle County 401 McIntire Road Charlottesville, VA 22902 434-296-5832 ext.3250 psaternve(a@albemarle.org www.albemarle.org From: Kirk Hughes <kirk@khals.net> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 2:51 PM To: Patricia Saternye <psaternye@albemarle.ore> Subject: RE: SUB2019-29 Lot D1-D7 TMP 43-18D recent submission Hi Paty, As per our recent conversation I respectfully request that the earlier application be withdrawn and a refund in the amount of $1,817.00 for the fees paid. I expect to file a normal subdivision plat on Monday. Rob will send you asap via email an application fee tabulation. We want to be sure the amount is correct before writing a check. Thanks for your assistance. Kirk Kirk Hughes, L.S. Principal Kirk Hughes & Associates Land Surveyors & Planners 220 East High Street Charlottesville, VA 22902 (434) 296-6942, Ext.1002 kirkakhals.net Micro Business Certified SWaM Certification #697836 DISCLAIMER: This communication and any files or attachments transmitted with it may contain information that is confidential, privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or the entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at once so appropriate action can be taken, and destroy any such copies. APlease consider the environment before printing this email. From: Patricia Saternye[mailto:psaternyelaalbemarle.org] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 11:37 AM To: Kirk Hughes Subject: SUB2019-29 Lot DI-D7 TIMID 43-18D recent submission Kirk, Thanks for speaking with me moments ago. For your reference please see two attachments. 1. Subdivision Plat and Checklist — use this one for the new submission for your proposed subdivision, and as discussed you will need to do a preliminary subdivision plat submission, and all the associated fees including any fees required for a private street request. 2. For future reference only— Rural Subdivision Plat & Checklist. I am including this just so you can see the current version of this application which has the minimum requirements of a rural subdivision at the top of the first page. As discussed, you will be emailing me your request to withdraw the previously submitted rural subdivision application and to be given a refund for the fees paid. Thanks, Paty Saternye Senior Planner Community Development ;4 U ��R4 �� Albemarle County 401 McIntire Road Charlottesville, VA 22902 434-296-5832 ext.3250 psaternve@albemarle.ore www.albemarle.or� Patricia "Paty" Saternye From: Patricia Saternye Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 3:24 PM To: Jennifer Smith - CDD - Planning Subject: FW: SUB2019-29 Lot D1-D7 TMP 43-18D recent submission Jen, Below please see the applicants request for a fee reimbursement for SUB201900029 Lot D1-D7 TMP 43-18D — Rural Subdivision. They submitted the plat under the wrong type of review. They will be resubmitting, under a different number and application type, probably next week. Thanks, Paty Saternye Senior Planner Community Development i °, =4 U :a��R4 M�* Albemarle County 401 McIntire Road Charlottesville, VA 22902 434-296-5832 ext.3250 psaternye@albemarle.org www.albemarle.org From: Kirk Hughes <kirk@khals.net> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 2:51 PM To: Patricia Saternye <psaternye@albemarle.org> Subject: RE: SUB2019-29 Lot D1-D7 TMP 43-18D recent submission Hi Paty, As per our recent conversation I respectfully request that the earlier application be withdrawn and a refund in the amount of $1,817.00 for the fees paid. I expect to file a normal subdivision plat on Monday. Rob will send you asap via email an application fee tabulation. We want to be sure the amount is correct before writing a check. Thanks for your assistance. Kirk Kirk Hughes, L.S. Principal Tip + 1 Kirk Hughes & Associates Land Surveyors & Planners 220 East High Street Charlottesville, VA 22902 (434) 296-6942, Ext.1002 kirk0khals.net Micro Business Certified SWaM Certification #697836 DISCLAIMER: This communication and any files or attachments transmitted with it may contain information that is confidential, privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or the entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at once so appropriate action can be taken, and destroy any such copies. `] Please consider the environment before printing this email. From: Patricia Saternye[mailto:psaternye(aalbemarle.orol Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 11:37 AM To: Kirk Hughes Subject: SUB2019-29 Lot D1-D7 TMP 43-18D recent submission Kirk, Thanks for speaking with me moments ago. For your reference please see two attachments. 1. Subdivision Plat and Checklist — use this one for the new submission for your proposed subdivision, and as discussed you will need to do a preliminary subdivision plat submission, and all the associated fees including any fees required for a private street request. 2. For future reference only— Rural Subdivision Plat & Checklist. I am including this just so you can see the current version of this application which has the minimum requirements of a rural subdivision at the top of the first page. As discussed, you will be emailing me your request to withdraw the previously submitted rural subdivision application and to be given a refund for the fees paid. Thanks, Paty Saternye Senior Planner Community Development y of =4 U a Albemarle County 401 McIntire Road Charlottesville, VA 22902 434-296-5832 ext.3250 psaternye@albemarle.org www.albemarle.or>? Patricia "Paty" Saternye From: Patricia Saternye Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 3:20 PM To: Kirk Hughes Subject: RE: SUB2019-29 Lot D1-D7 TMP 43-18D recent submission Kirk, Thank you for the email. We will withdraw the application and will be looking for the new one. Sincerely, Paty Saternye Senior Planner Community Development ,� w =4 U `��Rc M�* Albemarle County 401 McIntire Road Charlottesville, VA 22902 434-296-5832 ext.3250 psaternve@albemarle.org www.albemarle.org From: Kirk Hughes <kirk@khals.net> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 2:51 PM To: Patricia Saternye <psaternye@albemarle.org> Subject: RE: SUB2019-29 Lot D1-D7 TMP 43-18D recent submission Hi Paty, As per our recent conversation I respectfully request that the earlier application be withdrawn and a refund in the amount of $1,817.00 for the fees paid. I expect to file a normal subdivision plat on Monday. Rob will send you asap via email an application fee tabulation. We want to be sure the amount is correct before writing a check. Thanks for your assistance. Kirk Kirk Hughes, L.S. Principal YJ1k t l Kirk Hughes & Associates Land Surveyors & Planners 220 East High Street Charlottesville, VA 22902 (434) 296-6942, Ext.1002 kirkakhals.net Micro Business Certified SWaM Certification #697836 DISCLAIMER: This communication and any files or attachments transmitted with it may contain information that is confidential, privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or the entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at once so appropriate action can be taken, and destroy any such copies. `] Please consider the environment before printing this email. From: Patricia Saternye[mailto:psaternye(aalbemarle.orol Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 11:37 AM To: Kirk Hughes Subject: SUB2019-29 Lot D1-D7 TMP 43-18D recent submission Kirk, Thanks for speaking with me moments ago. For your reference please see two attachments. 1. Subdivision Plat and Checklist — use this one for the new submission for your proposed subdivision, and as discussed you will need to do a preliminary subdivision plat submission, and all the associated fees including any fees required for a private street request. 2. For future reference only— Rural Subdivision Plat & Checklist. I am including this just so you can see the current version of this application which has the minimum requirements of a rural subdivision at the top of the first page. As discussed, you will be emailing me your request to withdraw the previously submitted rural subdivision application and to be given a refund for the fees paid. Thanks, Paty Saternye Senior Planner Community Development x I� Albemarle County 401 McIntire Road Charlottesville, VA 22902 434-296-5832 ext.3250 psaternve@albemarle.ore www.albemarle.ort Patricia "Paty" Saternye From: Kirk Hughes <kirk@khals.net> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 2:51 PM To: Patricia Saternye Subject: RE: SUB2019-29 Lot D1-D7 TMP 43-18D recent submission Hi Paty, As per our recent conversation I respectfully request that the earlier application be withdrawn and a refund in the amount of $1,817.00 for the fees paid. I expect to file a normal subdivision plat on Monday. Rob will send you asap via email an application fee tabulation. We want to be sure the amount is correct before writing a check. Thanks for your assistance. Kirk Kirk Hughes, L.S. Principal Il IRA Kirk Hughes & Associates Land Surveyors & Planners 220 East High Street Charlottesville, VA 22902 (434) 296-6942, Ext.1002 kirkakhals.net Micro Business Certified SWaM Certification #697836 DISCLAIMER: This communication and any files or attachments transmitted with it may contain information that is confidential, privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or the entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at once so appropriate action can be taken, and destroy any such copies. `] Please consider the environment before printing this email. From: Patricia Saternye [mailto:psaternye@albemarle.org] Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 11:37 AM To: Kirk Hughes Subject: SUB2019-29 Lot D1-D7 TMP 43-18D recent submission Kirk, Thanks for speaking with me moments ago. For your reference please see two attachments. 1. Subdivision Plat and Checklist — use this one for the new submission for your proposed subdivision, and as discussed you will need to do a preliminary subdivision plat submission, and all the associated fees including any fees required for a private street request. 2. For future reference only— Rural Subdivision Plat & Checklist. I am including this just so you can see the current version of this application which has the minimum requirements of a rural subdivision at the top of the first page. As discussed, you will be emailing me your request to withdraw the previously submitted rural subdivision application and to be given a refund for the fees paid. Thanks, Paty Saternye Senior Planner Community Development Albemarle County 401 McIntire Road Charlottesville, VA 22902 434-296-5832 ext.3250 psaternve@albemarle.ore www.albemarle.ora Patricia "Paty" Saternye From: Patricia Saternye Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 12:48 PM To: Bill Fritz Subject: RE: Tax Map 43, Parcels 18D Bill, When you are saying "I don't know about the easements themselves..." does that include that you did not know if the conservation easement would allow them to use Yellow Wood Drive to access additional lots? Or was some decision made, or information found, that said he could use Yellow Wood Drive for access for the new lots created with the subdivision? Thanks, Paty Saternye Senior Planner Community Development V ` Lr Albemarle County 401 McIntire Road Charlottesville, VA 22902 434-296-5832 ext.3250 psaternve@albemarle.ore www.albemarle.org From: Bill Fritz Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 12:44 PM To: Patricia Saternye <psaternye@albemarle.org> Subject: FW: Tax Map 43, Parcels 18D Last thing Ihave. William D. Fritz, AICP Development Process Manager/Ombudsman 434-296-5823 ext3242 From: Bill Fritz Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 2:38 PM To: Kirk <kirk@khals.net> Subject: RE: Tax Map 43, Parcels 18D I took a look at the last action the PC took. The issue of division will be one for the Planning Commission to act on. They will need to approve the private streets and a modification to allow some of the lots to use Catlin and some to use Yellow Wood. The real issue is going to be the need to upgrade the streets to meet the minimum design standards. I don't know about the easements themselves and if TMP 43-18D has or can obtain the 10 necessary permission from the property owners to use either or both streets. I hope this helps. Call me if you have additional questions. From: Kirk <kirk@khals.net> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 8:22 PM To: Bill Fritz <BFRITZ@albemarle.ore> Subject: RE: Tax Map 43, Parcels 18D Bill, Thanks. I know yall are busy. Have a good evening. Kirk Sent from my U.S. Cellular@ Smarlphone -------- Original message -------- From: Bill Fritz <BFRITZ e albemarle.org> Date: 5/24/18 4:55 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Kirk Hughes <kirk(a)khals.net> Subject: RE: Tax Map 43, Parcels 18D It is on my desk as I type this. Was trying to get it done today. That didn't happen. Will try for tomorrow. From: Kirk Hughes <kirk e khals.net> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 4:16 PM To: Bill Fritz <BFRITZ(abalbemarle.org> Subject: Tax Map 43, Parcels 18D Bill- Any progress! You must be busy as a one armed paper hanger.. Have a great Holidap Kirk 11 Have you had a chance to review your history for Far Fields private street issue? Thanks, imq Kirk Hughes, L.S. Principal II Kirk Hughes & Associates Land Surveyors & Planners 220 East High Street Charlottesville, VA 22902 (434) 296-6942, Ext.108 kirkAkhals.net Micro Business Certified SWaM Certification #697836 DISCLAIMER: This communication and any files or attachments transmitted with it may contain information that is confidential, privileged and exempt from disclosure order applicable law. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or the entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at once so appropriate action can be taken, and destroy any such copies. `] Please consider the environment before printing this email. 12 Patricia "Paty" Saternye From: Bill Fritz Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 12:44 PM To: Patricia Saternye Subject: FW: Tax Map 43, Parcels 18D Last thing Ihave. William D. Fritz, AICP Development Process Manager/Ombudsman 434-296-5823 ext 3242 From: Bill Fritz Sent: Friday, May 25, 2018 2:38 PM To: Kirk <kirk@khals.net> Subject: RE: Tax Map 43, Parcels 18D I took a look at the last action the PC took. The issue of division will be one for the Planning Commission to act on. They will need to approve the private streets and a modification to allow some of the lots to use Catlin and some to use Yellow Wood. The real issue is going to be the need to upgrade the streets to meet the minimum design standards. I don't know about the easements themselves and if TMP 43-18D has or can obtain the necessary permission from the property owners to use either or both streets. I hope this helps. Call me if you have additional questions. From: Kirk<kirk@khals.net> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 8:22 PM To: Bill Fritz <BFRITZ@albemarle.ore> Subject: RE: Tax Map 43, Parcels 18D Bill, Thanks. I know yall are busy. Have a good evening. Kirk Sent from my U.S. Cellular® Smarlphone -------- Original message -------- From: Bill Fritz <BFRITZ e albemarle.org> Date: 5/24/18 4:55 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Kirk Hughes <kirk(a)khals.net> Subject: RE: Tax Map 43, Parcels 18D It is on my desk as I type this. Was trying to get it done today. That didn't happen. Will try for tomorrow. 13 From: Kirk Hughes <kirk e khals.net> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 4:16 PM To: Bill Fritz <BFRITZ&albemarle.org> Subject: Tax Map 43, Parcels 18D Bill- Any progress! You must be busy as a one armed paper hanger.. Have a great Holidap Kirk Have you had a chance to review your history for Far Fields private street issue? Thanks, Kirk Kirk Hughes, L.S. Principal II Kirk Hughes & Associates Land Surveyors & Planners 220 East High Street Charlottesville, VA 22902 (434) 296-6942, Ext.108 kirkAkhals.net 14 Micro Business Certified SWaM Certification #697836 DISCLAIMER: This communication and any files or attachments transmitted with it may contain information that is confidential, privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or the entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender at once so appropriate action can be taken, and destroy any such copies. `] Please consider the environment before printing this email. 15 Patricia "Paty" Saternye From: Patricia Saternye Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 12:02 PM To: Bill Fritz, Scott Clark Subject: SUB2019-29 Lots D1-D7 previously referred to as a 3 lot subdivision off of Catlin Road (TMP 43-18D) Bill & Scott, Your answer may very well be "No" to this, but have you had any communication with Kirk Hughes since 5/7/2018 in reference to TMP 43-18D (off of Catlin Road and Yellow Wood Drive)? My recollection from the Preapplication meeting (Preapp2018-58) all the way back in May was that "we" thought they could not use the road (Yellow Wood Drive) through the property with the conservation easement on it (TMP 59-27X) for access to the subdivision of TMP 43-18D. There was also a preapp scheduled in 12/2018, but it was canceled because of sickness of applicant. So the only one that happened was on 5/7/18. Mr. Hughes may have communicated with one or both of you individually, Scott because of the conservation easement and Bill because of your history. So, I just wanted to see if there is any more recent info either of you might have that I don't. I'm also having trouble finding any email trails I might have had no it myself. So if I was copied on any communication you may have had with Mr. Hughes please don't assume I already have it. FYI, his current application (SUB2019-29) is being withdrawn because it is the wrong type of application. So I don't need the information ASAP. If you could just let me know once you have a moment to look into it. Thanks, Paty Saternye Senior Planner Community Development Albemarle County 401 McIntire Road Charlottesville, VA 22902 434-296-5832 ext.3250 psaternve@albemarle.ore www.albemarle.org 16 Patricia "Paty" Saternye From: Patricia Saternye Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2019 11:37 AM To: Kirk Hughes Subject: SUB2019-29 Lot D1-D7 TMP 43-18D recent submission Attachments: Subdivision_Plat_&_Checklist.pdf, Rural_Subdivision_Plat_&_Checklist.pdf Kirk, Thanks for speaking with me moments ago. For your reference please see two attachments. 1. Subdivision Plat and Checklist — use this one for the new submission for your proposed subdivision, and as discussed you will need to do a preliminary subdivision plat submission, and all the associated fees including any fees required for a private street request. 2. For future reference only— Rural Subdivision Plat & Checklist. I am including this just so you can see the current version of this application which has the minimum requirements of a rural subdivision at the top of the first page. As discussed, you will be emailing me your request to withdraw the previously submitted rural subdivision application and to be given a refund for the fees paid. Thanks, Paty Saternye Senior Planner Community Development Albemarle County 401 McIntire Road Charlottesville, VA 22902 434-296-5832 ext.3250 psaternve@albemarle.ore www.albemarle.ora 17 Patricia "Paty" Saternye From: Patricia Saternye Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2018 9:14 AM To: John Wilson Cc: Bryan Chambers; Luke Kitelinger Subject: SUB2018-177 Property of Bella Signature Homes, LLC - Preliminary Plat Attachments: SUB201800066_June_26_Private Street request justification and exhibits - Copy.pdf Mr. Wilson, As one of the contacts for SUB2018-177 Property of Bella Signature Homes, LLC - Preliminary Plat I wanted to contact you in reference to the submission. First, since you are showing a private street on the preliminary plat the private street request and justification must be submitted with the preliminary plat. We do not seem to have received either the request or the justification. We will need to receive these items prior to 12Noon on Friday in order to process this application in the current Site Review Committee (SRC) time frame. If we receive them after then the submission will be put on the schedule based on the date you submit the missing documents. Second, I've attached a previous request letter and justification as examples for your reference. This submission is different from yours, but it may give you an idea of the level of detail that is required. Also, please note the subdivision code references in the letter of 14-232 & 14-234 which dictate when private streets may be authorized and the procedures. Third, below I've included some of the emails that took place last February in reference to the proposed subdivision and some of the private street questions/discussion. Please note that it will be important in your request letter and justification to specify if you have requested the VDOT waiver (as discussed below) or not, and if it was granted or not. As previously discussed, this will have some barring on whether County Staff will be able to support your request or not. Please let me know that you received this email an also whether you think you will be able to get the request letter and justification to me prior to 12noon on Friday or not. Thanks, Paty Saternye Senior Planner Community Development of oral , y \' / i lRy n�,' Albemarle County 401 McIntire Road Charlottesville, VA 22902 434-296-5832 ext.3250 psaternve@albemarle.ore www.albemarle.org 18 From: Patricia Saternye Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:55 AM To: Cody Pennetti <Cody.Pen netti@timmons.com> Cc: Frank Pohl <fpohl@albemarle.org>; Bryan Chambers <chamberslandsurveving@vahoo.com>; Luke Kitelinger <kite I i ngerl@ya hoo.com> Subject: RE: Earlysville Road Subdivision Cody, Without finding out if VDOT will grant the waiver request or not your case is not as strong, and my statements below apply. If you wish to submit now it is of course up to you. Whenever you do submit the request make sure you follow the appropriate submission requirement and guidelines. Thanks, Paty Saternye Senior Planner Community Development = `� Albemarle County 401 McIntire Road Charlottesville, VA 22902 434-296-5832 ext.3250 psaternve@albemarle.org www.albemarle.org From: Cody Pennetti [mailto:Cody.Pennetti@timmons.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:48 AM To: Patricia Saternye <paaternye@albemarle.org> Cc: Frank Pohl <fpohl@albemarle.org>; Bryan Chambers<chamberslandsurveying@yahoo.com>; Luke Kitelinger <kite I i ngerl@va hoo.com> Subject: RE: Earlysville Road Subdivision Thank you Paty— I can talk to Luke about how he wants to move things forward. But, even if we submit the waiver, and VDOT approves it to allow the road to stop in the middle of the site, we'd still be able to demonstrate the 30% additional impact with a public road and would still request permission to building a private gravel roadway... I know VDOT can take a few weeks for review of a waiver, so we're trying to save some time. Thanks, -Cody Cody Pennetti, PE Project Manager 19 TIMMONS GROUP I www.timmons.com 608 Preston Avenue, Suite 200 1 Charlottesville, VA 22903 Office: 434.327.1692 1 Mobile: 571.276.7335 Linkedln: www.linkedin.com/in/Cody-Pennetti Your Vision Achieved Through Ours From: Patricia Saternye [mailto:psaternye@albemarle.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 11:41 AM To: Cody Pennetti <Cody.Pen netti@timmons.com> Cc: Frank Pohl <fpohl@albemarle.org>; Bryan Chambers <chamberslandsurveying@yahoo.com>; Luke Kitelinger <kite I i nge r1 @ va h oo. co m> Subject: RE: Earlysville Road Subdivision Cody, If you request the waiver from VDOT and they deny it then it is more likely that the County staff will support a request for a private street. As mentioned, if you do not request the waiver from VDOT, and it is unknown whether VDOT would have granted or denied the waiver request, it is very likely that staff will not support the request. If you wish to officially submit your request to the County without requesting the waiver from VDOT it is completely up to you. Just let me know how you want to move forward. Thanks, Paty Saternye Senior Planner Community Development 1i y :i1 J Rbn Albemarle County 401 McIntire Road Charlottesville, VA 22902 434-296-5832 ext.3250 psaternve@albemarle.org www.albemarle.org From: Cody Pennetti [mailto:Cody.Pennetti@timmons.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 10:13 AM To: Patricia Saternye <psaternve@albemarle.org> Cc: Frank Pohl <fpohl@albemarle.org>; Bryan Chambers <chamberslandsurveving@yahoo.com>; Luke Kitelinger <kite I i nge r1 @ va h oo. co m> Subject: RE: Earlysville Road Subdivision Paty, We've evaluated the private and public street conditions for the site, and we're in the process of drafting a waiver to VDOT. In our initial comparison (attached), we're seeing that there is 35% more earthwork is required for the public road compared to a private road of the same alignment. It is our understanding that this satisfies the justification for a private street in lieu of public, per ZO 14-232 A.1.a (30% additional earthwork). 20 The public road is slightly wider (even under minimum widths allowed) and requires more gradual vertical curves, with a larger cul-de-sac radius. These conditions contribute to the additional earthwork and land area disturbance that we've calculated on the attached sheet (bottom right). We can still process the VDOT waiver if required, but this analysis demonstrates that, even with an approval from VDOT, the additional disturbance justifies the ZO condition for a private street — based on my understanding. Please let me know how you'd like us to proceed. Thankyou -Cody Cody Pennetti, PE Project Manager TIMMONS GROUP I www.timmons.com 608 Preston Avenue, Suite 200 1 Charlottesville, VA 22903 Office: 434.327.1692 1 Mobile: 571.276.7335 Linkedln: www.linkedin.com/in/Cody-Pennetti Your Vision Achieved Through Ours From: Patricia Saternye [mailto:psaternve@albemarle.org] Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 11:47 AM To: Cody Pennetti <Cody.Pen netti@timmons.com> Cc: Frank Pohl <fpohl@albemarle.org>; Bryan Chambers <chamberslandsurveving@vahoo.com>; Luke Kitelinger <kite I i ngerl@ya hoo.com> Subject: RE: Earlysville Road Subdivision Cody, If I understand your question correctly I would say the following. You need to compare oranges to oranges. So the exhibits and analysis you need to generate are for the following: 1. VDOT road, ending in a cul-de-sac, assuming you have been given the waiver (not required to extend the road to the edge of the property). 2. Private road, ending in a cul-de-sac at the same location, and meeting the private street requirements and design standards in the County Code for the number of lots the private street is serving. So, it is just that one scenario with those two exhibits supporting the scenario and analysis. As far as percentage of environmental impact, I would refer you to the criteria we supplied to the applicant and/or to engineering. Please let me know if you have any other questions in reference to this. Thanks, Paty Saternye Senior Planner Community Development x v �`�/R41N��R� Albemarle County 21 401 McIntire Road Charlottesville, VA 22902 434-296-5832 ext.3250 psaternve@albemarle.ore www.albemarle.org From: Cody Pennetti [mailto:Cody.Pennetti@timmons.com] Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2018 9:19 AM To: Patricia Saternye <psaternve@albemarle.ore> Subject: Earlysville Road Subdivision Paty, Good morning —thanks for calling me back, I just tried you again too. Hopefully we can connect this morning if convenient. I wanted to discuss what your team would be looking for to demonstrate the private street condition on this project. As I understand it, we need to determine if there is 30% greater environmental impact with a public roadway so the County will allow a Private Street. To get there, the County is asking for the following steps: 1. Apply for a VDOT waiver for interconnectivity to see if VDOT will allow the road to end prior to the edge of the property line. a. If they don't approve the waiver, it's easy to justify the additional 30% impact based on road length. b. If they do approve the waiver, you have to move on... 2. The County requires two different plans to compare the land disturbance with a private road vs. public road. Using the reduced road length, they want to see the difference with each road design on environmental impacts. a. To start, the public road is required to be wider, so there's some impact that's easy to demonstrate there. b. The other item that would show greater impact is VDOT requirements for road geometry, and how that would likely require additional grading and earthwork In the interest of time, I'm wondering if we can proceed with #2 above (assume the lengths are the same to check difference in disturbance) while we also begin work on #1. We need to run the analysis on our side, but I assume if we determine the VDOT standards require 30% more impact under the same alignment it would be accepted without the need for the waiver refusal. Also, if my notes above are incorrect, please let me know. Thank you -Cody Cody Pennetti, PE Project Manager TIMMONS GROUP I www.timmons.com 608 Preston Avenue, Suite 200 1 Charlottesville, VA 22903 Office: 434.327.1692 1 Mobile: 571.276.7335 Linkedln: www.linkedin.com/in/Cody-Pennetti Your Vision Achieved Through Ours 22 23 Patricia "Paty" Saternye From: Bill Fritz Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 4:03 PM To: Cameron Langille; Patricia Saternye Subject: FW: SUB2018-107 Tax Map 70 - 49, Parcel B - Preliminary Attachments: SUB201000049 Staff Report 2010-06-16.pdf This is the plat and private street request info I was thinking about. William D. Fritz, AICP Development Process Manager/Ombudsman 434-296-5823 ext 3242 From: Bill Fritz Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 10:49 AM To: Tom Shumate Jr <tomjr@tomshumatesurveyor.com> Subject: SUB2018-107 Tax Map 70 - 49, Parcel B - Preliminary We received the application for this subdivision. I did not see a private street request in the application. If you did submit one I will go on the hunt for it. If you did not submit one you will need to do so. I found the last private street acted on by the County for a subdivision in the Rural Areas. It was for a larger subdivision but it is still helpful. I have attached the full staff report for the project so you can see what the reports look like. Included in the staff report is an attachment which is the applicant's justification. He used the general welfare option to justify the request but also discusses the environmental impact. The application was approved so I thought it might be helpful to you. If you have any questions please let me know. William D. Fritz, AICP 434-296-5823 extension 3242 24 Patricia "Paty" Saternye From: Bill Fritz Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 4:03 PM To: Cameron Langille; Patricia Saternye Subject: FW: SUB2018-107 Tax Map 70 - 49, Parcel B - Preliminary Attachments: SUB201000049 Staff Report 2010-06-16.pdf This is the plat and private street request info I was thinking about. William D. Fritz, AICP Development Process Manager/Ombudsman 434-296-5823 ext 3242 From: Bill Fritz Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2018 10:49 AM To: Tom Shumate Jr <tomjr@tomshumatesurveyor.com> Subject: SUB2018-107 Tax Map 70 - 49, Parcel B - Preliminary We received the application for this subdivision. I did not see a private street request in the application. If you did submit one I will go on the hunt for it. If you did not submit one you will need to do so. I found the last private street acted on by the County for a subdivision in the Rural Areas. It was for a larger subdivision but it is still helpful. I have attached the full staff report for the project so you can see what the reports look like. Included in the staff report is an attachment which is the applicant's justification. He used the general welfare option to justify the request but also discusses the environmental impact. The application was approved so I thought it might be helpful to you. If you have any questions please let me know. William D. Fritz, AICP 434-296-5823 extension 3242 25