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HomeMy WebLinkAboutARB201500126 Correspondence 2015-11-06 Brent Nelson From: Logan Martin <kayak-too @hotmail.com> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2015 1:02 PM To: Brent Nelson Cc: Doug Stemler; Margaret Maliszewski Subject: Re:ARB 2015-126, U. S. Cellular Signs, Staff Comments -IMPORTANT Sounds good. Thanks to both of you for working on this. So,yes we do want the administrative denial so that Doug can in turn sign the letter and set in motion an appeal so that we can get meet with ARB members. Have a great weekend! Logan Martin Sent from my iPhone On Nov 6, 2015,at 11:30 AM, Brent Nelson<bnelson@albemarle.org>wrote: Doug - I just got a call from Logan Martin,the property owner, which reminded me that you have not responded to my October 27th email (below) outlining the issues needing to be addressed for my administrative approval of this proposal. If U.S. Cellular does not want to revise according to any of my comments, you need to respond by email indicating that. I will in turn issue you my administrative denial of the application. You then have the option to provide a signed letter to me indicating you want to appeal my decision to the Architectural Review Board.That letter can be signed by you and all of this can be handled via email to expedite things. Logan is interested in seeing that this process moves along as quickly as possible, so I have suggested that he contact Margaret Maliszewski next week as she will handle taking your appeal to the ARB. Brent Brent W. Nelson Planner Planning Services, Community Development Albemarle County Office Building 401 McIntire Road, 22902 434-296-5832, ext. 3438 bnelson @albemarle.org From: Brent Nelson Sent:Tuesday, October 27, 2015 3:20 PM To: Doug Stemler<DougS @htsva.com> Subject:ARB 2015-126, U.S. Cellular Signs, Staff Comments Doug I have reviewed the above-noted sign application. The following revisions are requested to make the proposal consistent with the Entrance Corridor Sign Guidelines and the approved Comprehensive Sign Criteria for this parcel. } 1. Approved Comprehensive Sign Criteria (CSC) for this location are attached. The building where your signs are to be located is referred to as Building 1 in the table.Your sign proposal will need to be revised accordingly to meet those criteria. a. Sign location: i. CSC require that signs on the canopy in the west(front)elevation be centered left to right on the canopy. Revise the proposed sign location accordingly. ii. CSC require that signs on the south(side)elevation be located in the upper corner at the west end of the elevation. Revise the sign location accordingly. b. Sign size: i. The existing canopy design in the west (front) elevation of Building 1 is not accurately represented in the sign drawing. There is an extra tall cornice across the top (photo attached). Revise the drawing to show the canopy with cornice correctly,with the flat sign band area dimensioned accurately.Make sure the sign dimensions are proportionate without overcrowding the sign band area. ii. CSC limit the sign size in the south (side) elevation to 8' 4" wide x 3' 7" tall; however,the proposed sign width is 17' 1%" . Revise the sign design to meet the permitted dimensions. c. Sign colors: i. CSC limit the number of sign face colors to one. Revise the sign proposal to show only one sign face color. ii. Revise sign colors for both signs to meet one of the following CSC sign color combinations: 1. Black daytime/white nighttime faces with black trim caps and returns or 2. White acrylic faces with white or bronze trim caps and bronze returns or 3. Red PMS 200C faces with bronze trim caps and returns. d. Raceway color: i. ARB general sign guidelines require that the raceway color match the wall to which it is attached.The sign drawing states the raceway color will match Sherwin Williams SW 6123 Tan which is not the existing paint color. Benjamin Moore HC 38 is the paint color that was approved for the wall. Revise the sign drawing to indicate the correct wall color for the raceway. 2. Revise the sign drawing to indicate the tenant panel in the freestanding sign shall have an opaque background,only the text and graphic shall illuminate. Please respond by email within 15 days of the date of this email indicating whether you will or will not proceed with these revisions. Your decision to make the revisions will suspend the 60-day review period associated with your original submittal. If you choose to complete the revisions, please email the revised drawings to me. If you choose not to proceed with these revisions, staff will be unable to approve your application. Failure to respond to this email shall be presumed to be a request to proceed to action on the application without further revisions. If you have any questions about this action, please contact me as soon as possible. I look forward to receiving your revisions and completing this review with an approval letter. Sincerely, Brent Brent W. Nelson Planner 2 Planning Services, Community Development 4.0► Albemarle County Office Building 401 McIntire Road, 22902 434-296-5832, ext. 3438 bnelson @albemarle.org <Ron Martin Warehouse Sign Summary.pdf> <Building 1.pdf> 3 Now err Brent Nelson From: Margaret Maliszewski Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 5:09 PM To: Brent Nelson Subject: FW: US Cellular sign proposal and comprehensive sign criteria for the Ron Martin building Attachments: ARB 15-126_Denial_11-10-15.pdf; Ron Martin Warehouse Sign Summary.doc From: Margaret Maliszewski Sent:Tuesday, November 24, 2015 10:10 AM To: 'Logan Martin'<kayak-too @hotmail.com> Subject: US Cellular sign proposal and comprehensive sign criteria for the Ron Martin building Logan, Brent Nelson has been reviewing the US Cellular application. He is out of the office this week. In his absence and to keep things moving along, I'm providing the following comments on your recent submittal. Please review all previous comments, including the attached letter,to be sure you are addressing all required items. In the attached letter, Brent outlined the issues that needed to be addressed with the previous proposal. Each of the items listed must be addressed in the sign drawings and/or in a proposed revision to the Comp Sign Criteria. There are two basic things that need to be accomplished. 1)An amendment to the previously approved Comprehensive Sign Criteria must be submitted for review/approval. 2)The sign drawings for the US Cellular sign proposal need to accurately illustrate a design we can approve. Regarding the US Cellular sign proposal: 1. On the drawings: Indicate the existing height of the cornice on the front canopy, the amount of cornice to be removed, and the height of remaining area below the modified cornice.The remaining cornice will need to still look like a cornice with appropriate proportions relative to the canopy.Show that there is sufficient space for the US Cellular letters and graphic to not appear overcrowded on the canopy. 3" of clear space above and below the sign is a typical minimum. Include a note on the drawing indicating how the remaining cornice and wall area will be treated so that they retain an appropriate appearance. 2. The raceway color must match the color of the wall to which it is attached. Include a note to this regard on the sign drawing. Eliminate the "color TBD" note. Regarding the Comprehensive Sign Criteria: 1. Modify the attached Comprehensive Sign Criteria (Ron Martin Warehouse Sign Summary)to reflect the new criteria you are proposing for the building. I recommend that you create a new Word document,crossing through the text you want to delete and typing in the proposed wording in a different color. I have listed here items you'll need to address based on our previous conversations. Please think carefully through your plans for the US Cellular sign and for the future of your building to be sure you include all the changes you have in mind. a. Sign location on the front canopy b. Additional sign locations on south elevation c. Sign sizes on the south and west elevations d. Sign face colors, number of colors allowed on a single sign, maximum number of sign face colors for overall building(Remember that 3 colors is the typical maximum.) 1 e. How will you addresie ballet sign? (color,future location) Please email the revised sign drawings and the proposed Comprehensive Sign Criteria changes that address all of the issues listed above. Please be sure to include revision dates on all documents. Thanks. Margaret Margaret M.Maliszewski,Principal Planner Albemarle County Department of Community Development 401 McIntire Road,Charlottesville,VA 22902 434-296-5832 x3276 2 Brent Nelson From: Margaret Maliszewski Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 5:10 PM To: Brent Nelson Subject: FW: New drawings for US Crllular From: Doug Stemler[mailto:DougS @htsva.com] Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 9:25 AM To: 'Logan Martin'<kayak-too @hotmail.com>; Margaret Maliszewski<MMaliszewski @albemarle.org> Cc:Jon W Vollentine<jon.vollentine @uscellular.com> Subject: RE: New drawings for US Crllular Hi Logan, I just left you a voicemail and wanted to follow up with an email. Given your direct meetings with Albemarle County ARB members, I am wanting to confirm you are handling the proposed site adjustment requests for the Ron Martin Warehouse. Please alert me if I need to draft and submit a written letter to Albemarle County requesting a formal ARB hearing review. Thank you Logan. I look forward to your reply. Doug Stemler I Project Manager I Hightech Signs HIGHTEGH SIGNS [PH]: 434-974-7900 x105 [FX]: 434-974-6898 [E]: dougs @htsva.com Original Message From: Logan Martin [mailto:kayak-too@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 20, 2015 4:09 PM To: Margaret Maliszewski Cc:Jon W Vollentine; Doug Stemler Subject: New drawings for US Crllular Margaret, I just received this PDF from the sign company after going over in detail with them all the things that needed to be adjusted on the drawings. I will call you early next week to see if there is anything else that I should have them add. Have a great weekend! Logan Martin 434-466-1066 1 Brent Nelson From: Margaret Maliszewski Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 2:04 PM To: Brent Nelson Subject: FW:Thanks FYI: The ARB said we can deal with the changes to the Ron Martin comp sign plan administratively. From: Logan Martin [mailto:kayak-too @hotmail.com] Sent:Tuesday, November 17, 2015 2:02 PM To: Margaret Maliszewski<MMaliszewski @albemarle.org> Subject:Thanks Margaret, Good afternoon. I just wanted to say a quick thank you for your time and guidance on the sign. After yesterday's meeting, I was able to initiate a phone conference with all of the people working on this and give them explicit directions on each of the parts that needs to be completed before submitting the new plan. It was a good meeting and I think they understood. Thanks again! Logan Martin 434-466-1066 Brent Nelson From: Logan Martin <kayak-too @hotmail.com> Sent: Tuesday,January 26, 2016 4:57 PM To: Brent Nelson Subject: Re: New sign binder and criteria Brent - I can meet anytime at 30 minutes notice. Thanks - Logan 434-466-1066 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Brent Nelson<bnelson @albemarle.org> wrote: Logan - I can meet with you but what you really need is an email from me outlining what the current issues are. I was out Friday and Monday due to the storm. I am in the office today and plan to complete me review and email it to you today.We can then discuss it in person or on the phone. Brent Brent W. Nelson Planner Planning Services, Community Development Albemarle County Office Building 401 McIntire Road, 22902 434-296-5832, ext. 3438 bnelson @albemarle.org From: Logan Martin [mailto:kayak-too @hotmail.com] Sent: Monday,January 25, 2016 4:03 PM To: Brent Nelson<bnelson @albemarle.org> Subject: Re: New sign binder and criteria Brent, is there a time we can meet soon to discuss the signage. I mentioned that the delay is obviously not your(or the county's) fault. US Cellular took a long time to get this back to us. However, the lease automatically terminates if I do not have approval by January 31. I may be able to sue them but they probably have good lawyers. It would be so much better if we can meet that deadline. I'm sorry to be a pest. Logan Martin 434-466-1066 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2016, at 9:15 AM, Brent Nelson<bnelson @albemarle.org>wrote: Hi Logan - Sorry to have not called you yesterday.The number of phone calls is extreme this week. I have a meeting right now but will call as soon as I get out— probably around 11. 1 Brent Brent W. Nelson Planner Planning Services, Community Development Albemarle County Office Building 401 McIntire Road, 22902 434-296-5832, ext. 3438 bnelson @albemarle.org From: Logan Martin [mailto:kayak-too @hotmail.com] Sent:Thursday,January 21, 2016 8:38 AM To: Brent Nelson<bnelson @albemarle.org> Subject: Re: New sign binder and criteria Good morning Brent! I'm just checking in. Give me a call when you get a chance. Thanks- Logan Martin 434-466-1066 From: Brent Nelson<bnelson @albemarle.org> Sent:Thursday,January 14, 2016 5:56 PM To: 'Logan Martin' Subject: RE: New sign binder and criteria Hi Logan - Just wanted you to know Margaret forwarded this to me so I can review and get back to you next week. Our office is closed Friday and Monday for the Lee-Jackson, King holiday. Brent Brent W. Nelson Planner Planning Services, Community Development Albemarle County Office Building 401 McIntire Road, 22902 434-296-5832, ext. 3438 bnelson @albemarle.org From: Margaret Maliszewski Sent:Tuesday,January 12, 2016 1:48 PM To: Brent Nelson<bnelson @albemarle.org> Subject: FW: New sign binder and criteria From: Logan Martin [mailto:kayak-too @hotmail.com] Sent:Tuesday,January 12, 2016 1:30 PM 2 To: Margaret Maliszew�sCi<MMaliszewski @albemarle.org> `ompe Subject: New sign binder and criteria Margaret, Good afternoon. I'm very sorry that this has taken so long. There have been 3 different people working on this from the sign company that US Cellular uses. I asked Doug at High-tech to help me with the sign criteria. He was unable to get to it at the end of last year and he was sick last week and will be out all of this week, so I did my best to fill out the sign criteria in the correct manner so that everything fits together according to our last meeting. On thing I noticed is that there is a problem with a few of the drawings in the sign binder... there is not 3" of clearance between the top of the star and the cornice in the canopy. I have made US Cellular aware that this will be a problem. I look forward to any other comments you have so that we can move forward. Thanks so much - Logan Martin 434-466-1066 3 Brent Nelson From: Logan Martin <kayak-too @hotmail.com> Sent: Friday,January 29, 2016 2:27 PM To: Brent Nelson Subject: Re:ARB 2015-126 U.S. Cellular Sign, Comprehensive Sign Criteria - Need Changes Yes Brent, all of the changes listed below are good. Thank you for all of the help you've provided with this. Logan Martin 434-466-1066 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2016, at 2:24 PM, Brent Nelson<bnelson @albemarle.org>wrote: Logan - As promised, I am sending this email as a follow up to our phone conversation just now. As I mentioned, the following changes to the your proposed amended Comprehensive Sign Criteria table (attached) are required for my administrative approval. Under Building 1,West, Canopy: • The criteria shall be amended to state there will be a minimum of 3" clearance above and below any graphics and a minimum of 12" clearance above and below any channel letters. Under Building 1, South: • The criteria shall be amended to state there can be up to 3 signs, one directly above the other, in that location. For example,the existing Ryan Homes sign, the US Cellular sign directly beneath and another sign directly beneath (12" clearance between each). Under Building 3: • The mistaken deletion of cabinet sign criteria will be removed so those criteria will remain. In the interest of time, if you can reply to this email indicating that you agree (support) all the comments above, I can amend the table for you. Brent Brent W. Nelson Planner Planning Services, Community Development Albemarle County Office Building 401 McIntire Road, 22902 434-296-5832, ext. 3438 bnelson @albemarle.org From: Logan Martin [mailto:kavak-too @hotmail.com] Sent: Friday,January 29, 2016 1:31 AM 1 To: Brent Nelson<bnelson111@aallbemarle.org> Subject: Re:ARB 2015-126 U.S. Cellular Sign,Staff Comments Brent, I have attached the new Comprehensive sign guidelines summary with changes shown through strikethrough and highlight. I'll be available all day except from between 2:30 and 3:30. Thanks for you help. Logan From: Brent Nelson<bnelson @albemarle.org> Sent:Wednesday,January 27, 2016 5:32 PM To: Logan Martin Subject:ARB 2015-126 U.S.Cellular Sign, Staff Comments Logan - I have completed my review of your most recent revised sign drawings and the proposed amendment to the existing Comprehensive Sign Criteria for this property—both of which are attached. The following issues remain needing to be adequately addressed for my administrative approval. Note: the issues highlighted in yellow were included in my previous comments but not addressed in this latest submission. Regarding the U.S Cellular sign proposal: Sign size: 1. West(front)elevation sign:The drawing does not show any clearance between the top edge of the star graphic and the cornice above; 3" is the typical minimum. Revise the sign drawing accordingly. 2. South (side)elevation sign: a. The drawing does not show the clearance between the top edge of the US Cellular sign (star graphic) and the bottom of the existing Ryan Homes sign above; 12" would be appropriate. Revise the sign drawing accordingly. b. The drawing incorrectly shows a 12 inch dimension between the US Cellular and Ryan Homes raceways. Revise the sign drawing to correct the dimension. c. The total height of the star graphic, including the white backer panel is not shown. Revise the sign drawing to include that dimension. Sign color: 1. Drawings for both wall sign locations still indicate the raceway color will be Sherwin Williams 6123 Tan.That is not the current approved color for that elevation. Revise the drawings for both wall signs to eliminate the reference to a specific color and include the following note: "The raceway color shall match the color of the wall to which it shall be attached." Freestanding sign,tenant panel: 1. The sign drawing still does not include the required opaque background note. Revise the sign drawing to include the following note: "The tenant panel sign shall have an opaque background, only the text and graphic shall illuminate." Regarding the proposed amendment to the Comprehensive Sign Criteria (CSC): 1. It was previously recommended that the proposed criteria table show: a. The criteria to be deleted with a strikethrough mark. Revise the table accordingly. b. Additional sign locations in the South (side)elevation. Existing criteria do not allow a sign beneath the existing Ryan Homes sign. Revise the table to allow up to two additional signs 2 directly beneath the RIO Homes sign with 12" of clearance between the top and bottom edge of each sign. c. The maximum number of overall sign colors for the building with 3 as the typical,recommended maximum.The table currently lists 4 colors black,white, red and blue. Revise the table to by limiting the overall number of sign colors to 3. If black is removed from the list,the Ballet sign letters would have to change from black to white and a sign permit/ARB application submitted for review. 2. The proposed amendment to the CSC reduces the minimum clear space above or below a sign from 6 inches to 3 inches in the following locations: Building 1 West elevation southern corner, South elevation canopy above door, Building 3 West elevation between first and second story windows.Three inches of clearance is insufficient in these locations leading to a crowded appearance for the overall sign. Revise the table by removing this proposed change. 3. Regarding the canopy in the West(front)elevation: revise the amended CSC table proposal to require a 12" minimum clearance above and below channel letters and a 3" clearance above and below graphics. I will call you to go over this on the phone. Brent Brent W. Nelson Planner Planning Services, Community Development Albemarle County Office Building 401 McIntire Road, 22902 434-296-5832, ext. 3438 bnelson@albemarle.org <Ron Martin Warehouse Sign Summary Edited.pdf> 3 Brent Nelson From: Brent Nelson Sent: Friday,January 29, 2016 2:24 PM To: 'Logan Martin' Subject: ARB 2015-126 U.S. Cellular Sign, Comprehensive Sign Criteria - Need Changes Attachments: Ron Martin Warehouse Sign Summary Edited.pdf Logan - As promised, I am sending this email as a follow up to our phone conversation just now. As I mentioned,the following changes to the your proposed amended Comprehensive Sign Criteria table (attached) are required for my administrative approval. Under Building 1,West, Canopy: • The criteria shall be amended to state there will be a minimum of 3" clearance above and below any graphics and a minimum of 12" clearance above and below any channel letters. Under Building 1, South: • The criteria shall be amended to state there can be up to 3 signs, one directly above the other, in that location. For example,the existing Ryan Homes sign, the US Cellular sign directly beneath and another sign directly beneath (12" clearance between each). Under Building 3: • The mistaken deletion of cabinet sign criteria will be removed so those criteria will remain. In the interest of time, if you can reply to this email indicating that you agree (support) all the comments above, I can amend the table for you. Brent Brent W. Nelson Planner Planning Services, Community Development Albemarle County Office Building 401 McIntire Road, 22902 434-296-5832, ext. 3438 bnelson@albemarle.org From: Logan Martin [mailto:kayak-too @hotmail.com] Sent: Friday,January 29, 2016 1:31 AM To: Brent Nelson<bnelson @albemarle.org> Subject: Re:ARB 2015-126 U.S. Cellular Sign,Staff Comments Brent, I have attached the new Comprehensive sign guidelines summary with changes shown through strikethrough and highlight. I'll be available all day except from between 2:30 and 3:30. Thanks for you help. Logan 1 From: Brent Nelson<bnelson @albemarle.org> Sent:Wednesday,January 27, 2016 5:32 PM To: Logan Martin Subject:ARB 2015-126 U.S. Cellular Sign,Staff Comments Logan - I have completed my review of your most recent revised sign drawings and the proposed amendment to the existing Comprehensive Sign Criteria for this property—both of which are attached.The following issues remain needing to be adequately addressed for my administrative approval. Note:the issues highlighted in yellow were included in my previous comments but not addressed in this latest submission. Regarding the U.S Cellular sign proposal: Sign size: 1. West(front)elevation sign:The drawing does not show any clearance between the top edge of the star graphic and the cornice above; 3" is the typical minimum. Revise the sign drawing accordingly. 2. South (side) elevation sign: a. The drawing does not show the clearance between the top edge of the US Cellular sign (star graphic)and the bottom of the existing Ryan Homes sign above; 12"would be appropriate. Revise the sign drawing accordingly. b. The drawing incorrectly shows a 12 inch dimension between the US Cellular and Ryan Homes raceways. Revise the sign drawing to correct the dimension. c. The total height of the star graphic, including the white backer panel is not shown. Revise the sign drawing to include that dimension. Sign color: 1. Drawings for both wall sign locations still indicate the raceway color will be Sherwin Williams 6123 Tan.That is not the current approved color for that elevation. Revise the drawings for both wall signs to eliminate the reference to a specific color and include the following note: "The raceway color shall match the color of the wall to which it shall be attached." Freestanding sign,tenant panel: 1. The sign drawing still does not include the required opaque background note. Revise the sign drawing to include the following note: "The tenant panel sign shall have an opaque background,only the text and graphic shall illuminate." Regarding the proposed amendment to the Comprehensive Sign Criteria(CSC): 1. It was previously recommended that the proposed criteria table show: a. The criteria to be deleted with a strikethrough mark. Revise the table accordingly. b. Additional sign locations in the South(side) elevation. Existing criteria do not allow a sign beneath the existing Ryan Homes sign. Revise the table to allow up to two additional signs directly beneath the Ryan Homes sign with 12" of clearance between the top and bottom edge of each sign. c. The maximum number of overall sign colors for the building with 3 as the typical, recommended maximum.The table currently lists 4 colors black,white, red and blue. Revise the table to by limiting the overall number of sign colors to 3. If black is removed from the list,the Ballet sign letters would have to change from black to white and a sign permit/ARB application submitted for review. 2. The proposed amendment to the CSC reduces the minimum clear space above or below a sign from 6 inches to 3 inches in the following locations: Building 1 West elevation southern corner, South elevation canopy above door, Building 3 West elevation between first and second story windows.Three inches of clearance is insufficient in these locations leading to a crowded appearance for the overall sign. Revise the table by removing this proposed change. 3. Regarding the canopy in the West(front)elevation: revise the amended CSC table proposal to require a 12" minimum clearance above and below channel letters and a 3" clearance above and below graphics. I will call you to go over this on the phone. 2 f Brent Nelson From: Logan Martin <kayak-too @hotmail.com> Sent: Friday,January 29, 2016 10:48 AM To: Brent Nelson Subject: Re:ARB 2015-126 U.S. Cellular Sign, Staff Comments Brent, I got an email from my contact at US cellular saying that in his review, he didn't notice the third note about the opaque background. I told him to have the sign company make that fixed right away and send it back to me so I can forward it to you. I will forward that as soon as I get it. Thanks Logan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Brent Nelson<bnelson@albemarle.org>wrote: Logan - I have both of your emails, with attachments, and will review this morning. I will be in touch today. Brent Brent W. Nelson Planner Planning Services, Community Development Albemarle County Office Building 401 McIntire Road, 22902 434-296-5832, ext. 3438 bnelson @albemarle.org From: Logan Martin [mailto:kavak-too @hotmail.com] Sent: Friday,January 29,2016 1:31 AM To: Brent Nelson<bnelson @albemarle.org> Subject: Re:ARB 2015-126 U.S.Cellular Sign, Staff Comments Brent, I have attached the new Comprehensive sign guidelines summary with changes shown through strikethrough and highlight. I'll be available all day except from between 2:30 and 3:30. Thanks for you help. Logan From: Brent Nelson<bnelson@albemarle.org> Sent:Wednesday,January 27, 2016 5:32 PM To: Logan Martin Subject:ARB 2015-126 U.S.Cellular Sign,Staff Comments Logan - I have completed my review of your most recent revised sign drawings and the proposed amendment to the existing Comprehensive Sign Criteria for this property—both of which are attached. The following issues remain needing to be adequately addressed for my administrative approval. Note: 1 the issues highlighted in yellow were included in my previous comments but not addressed in this latest submission. Regarding the U.S Cellular sign proposal: Sign size: 1. West(front)elevation sign:The drawing does not show any clearance between the top edge of the star graphic and the cornice above; 3" is the typical minimum. Revise the sign drawing accordingly. 2. South (side)elevation sign: a. The drawing does not show the clearance between the top edge of the US Cellular sign (star graphic) and the bottom of the existing Ryan Homes sign above; 12"would be appropriate. Revise the sign drawing accordingly. b. The drawing incorrectly shows a 12 inch dimension between the US Cellular and Ryan Homes raceways. Revise the sign drawing to correct the dimension. c. The total height of the star graphic, including the white backer panel is not shown. Revise the sign drawing to include that dimension. Sign color: 1. Drawings for both wall sign locations still indicate the raceway color will be Sherwin Williams 6123 Tan.That is not the current approved color for that elevation. Revise the drawings for both wall signs to eliminate the reference to a specific color and include the following note: "The raceway color shall match the color of the wall to which it shall be attached." Freestanding sign,tenant panel: 1. The sign drawing still does not include the required opaque background note. Revise the sign drawing to include the following note: "The tenant panel sign shall have an opaque background, only the text and graphic shall illuminate." Regarding the proposed amendment to the Comprehensive Sign Criteria (CSC): 1. It was previously recommended that the proposed criteria table show: a. The criteria to be deleted with a strikethrough mark. Revise the table accordingly. b. Additional sign locations in the South (side)elevation. Existing criteria do not allow a sign beneath the existing Ryan Homes sign. Revise the table to allow up to two additional signs directly beneath the Ryan Homes sign with 12"of clearance between the top and bottom edge of each sign. c. The maximum number of overall sign colors for the building with 3 as the typical, recommended maximum.The table currently lists 4 colors black,white, red and blue. Revise the table to by limiting the overall number of sign colors to 3. If black is removed from the list,the Ballet sign letters would have to change from black to white and a sign permit/ARB application submitted for review. 2. The proposed amendment to the CSC reduces the minimum clear space above or below a sign from 6 inches to 3 inches in the following locations: Building 1 West elevation southern corner, South elevation canopy above door, Building 3 West elevation between first and second story windows.Three inches of clearance is insufficient in these locations leading to a crowded appearance for the overall sign. Revise the table by removing this proposed change. 3. Regarding the canopy in the West(front) elevation: revise the amended CSC table proposal to require a 12" minimum clearance above and below channel letters and a 3" clearance above and below graphics. I will call you to go over this on the phone. Brent 2 Brent W. Nelson Planner Planning Services, Community Development Albemarle County Office Building 401 McIntire Road, 22902 434-296-5832, ext. 3438 bnelson @albemarle.org 3 Brent Nelson From: Logan Martin <kayak-too @hotmail.corn> Sent: Thursday,January 28, 2016 5:04 PM To: Brent Nelson Subject: Fwd:ARB 2015-126 U.S. Cellular Sign, Staff Comments USC CHARLOTTESVILLE VA Attachments: 55753 Binder 1-28-16.pdf;ATT00001.htm Brent - Here is the revised sign binder from US Cellular's sign contractor. I will send the revisions to the CSC when I get home tonight. Have a good night. Logan Martin 434-466-1066 1 Noire Nwo, Brent Nelson From: Logan Martin <kayak-too @hotmail.com> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 1:31 AM To: Brent Nelson Subject: Re:ARB 2015-126 U.S. Cellular Sign, Staff Comments Attachments: Ron Martin Warehouse Sign Summary Edited.pdf Brent, I have attached the new Comprehensive sign guidelines summary with changes shown through strikethrough and highlight. I'll be available all day except from between 2:30 and 3:30. Thanks for you help. Logan From: Brent Nelson<bnelson @albemarle.org> Sent:Wednesday,January 27, 2016 5:32 PM To: Logan Martin Subject:ARB 2015-126 U.S.Cellular Sign,Staff Comments Logan - I have completed my review of your most recent revised sign drawings and the proposed amendment to the existing Comprehensive Sign Criteria for this property—both of which are attached.The following issues remain needing to be adequately addressed for my administrative approval. Note:the issues highlighted in yellow were included in my previous comments but not addressed in this latest submission. Regarding the U.S Cellular sign proposal: Sign size: 1. West(front)elevation sign:The drawing does not show any clearance between the top edge of the star graphic and the cornice above;3" is the typical minimum. Revise the sign drawing accordingly. 2. South (side) elevation sign: a. The drawing does not show the clearance between the top edge of the US Cellular sign (star graphic)and the bottom of the existing Ryan Homes sign above; 12"would be appropriate. Revise the sign drawing accordingly. b. The drawing incorrectly shows a 12 inch dimension between the US Cellular and Ryan Homes raceways. Revise the sign drawing to correct the dimension. c. The total height of the star graphic, including the white backer panel is not shown. Revise the sign drawing to include that dimension. Sign color: 1. Drawings for both wall sign locations still indicate the raceway color will be Sherwin Williams 6123 Tan.That is not the current approved color for that elevation. Revise the drawings for both wall signs to eliminate the reference to a specific color and include the following note: "The raceway color shall match the color of the wall to which it shall be attached." Freestanding sign,tenant panel: 1. The sign drawing still does not include the required opaque background note. Revise the sign drawing to include the following note: "The tenant panel sign shall have an opaque background,only the text and graphic shall illuminate." Regarding the proposed amendment to the Comprehensive Sign Criteria (CSC): 1. It was previously recommended that the proposed criteria table show: a. The criteria to be deleted with a strikethrough mark. Revise the table accordingly. 1 � � r b. Additional sign locations in*South South(side) elevation. Existing criteria dot allow a sign beneath the existing Ryan Homes sign. Revise the table to allow up to two additional signs directly beneath the Ryan Homes sign with 12"of clearance between the top and bottom edge of each sign. c. The maximum number of overall sign colors for the building with 3 as the typical, recommended maximum.The table currently lists 4 colors black,white,red and blue. Revise the table to by limiting the overall number of sign colors to 3. If black is removed from the list,the Ballet sign letters would have to change from black to white and a sign permit/ARB application submitted for review. 2. The proposed amendment to the CSC reduces the minimum clear space above or below a sign from 6 inches to 3 inches in the following locations: Building 1 West elevation southern corner,South elevation canopy above door, Building 3 West elevation between first and second story windows.Three inches of clearance is insufficient in these locations leading to a crowded appearance for the overall sign. Revise the table by removing this proposed change. 3. Regarding the canopy in the West(front) elevation: revise the amended CSC table proposal to require a 12" minimum clearance above and below channel letters and a 3" clearance above and below graphics. I will call you to go over this on the phone. Brent Brent W. 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L a 3t g F 0 0 d Oa * p7 Brent Nelson From: Logan Martin <kayak-too @hotmail.com> Sent: Thursday,January 28, 2016 9:08 AM To: Brent Nelson Cc: Margaret Maliszewski Subject: Re:ARB 2015-126 U.S. Cellular Sign, Staff Comments 'Brent, I can tell you put a lot of thought and time into this.Thank you! I have forwarded this to US cellular,telling them to concentrate on the top part with heir sign company to reduce the height of the star and make the other changes to notations etc... and I will make the changes to the CSC and get those back to you today. Have great morning! Logan Martin 434-466-1066 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2016, at 5:32 PM, Brent Nelson<bnelson@albemarle.org>wrote: Logan - I have completed my review of your most recent revised sign drawings and the proposed amendment to the existing Comprehensive Sign Criteria for this property—both of which are attached. The following issues remain needing to be adequately addressed for my administrative approval. Note: the issues highlighted in yellow were included in my previous comments but not addressed in this latest submission. Regarding the U.S Cellular sign proposal: Sign size: 1. West(front)elevation sign:The drawing does not show any clearance between the top edge of the star graphic and the cornice above; 3" is the typical minimum. Revise the sign drawing accordingly. 2. South (side) elevation sign: a. The drawing does not show the clearance between the top edge of the US Cellular sign (star graphic) and the bottom of the existing Ryan Homes sign above; 12"would be appropriate. Revise the sign drawing accordingly. b. The drawing incorrectly shows a 12 inch dimension between the US Cellular and Ryan Homes raceways. Revise the sign drawing to correct the dimension. c. The total height of the star graphic, including the white backer panel is not shown. Revise the sign drawing to include that dimension. Sign color: 1. Drawings for both wall sign locations still indicate the raceway color will be Sherwin Williams 6123 Tan.That is not the current approved color for that elevation. Revise the drawings for both wall signs to eliminate the reference to a specific color and include the following note: "The raceway color shall match the color of the wall to which it shall be attached." Freestanding sign,tenant panel: 1. The sign drawing still does not include the required opaque background note. Revise the sign drawing to include the following note: "The tenant panel sign shall have an opaque background, only the text and graphic shall illuminate." oirre *4410# Regarding the proposed amendment to the Comprehensive Sign Criteria (CSC): 1. It was previously recommended that the proposed criteria table show: a. The criteria to be deleted with a strikethrough mark. Revise the table accordingly. b. Additional sign locations in the South (side) elevation. Existing criteria do not allow a sign beneath the existing Ryan Homes sign. Revise the table to allow up to two additional signs directly beneath the Ryan Homes sign with 12"of clearance between the top and bottom edge of each sign. c. The maximum number of overall sign colors for the building with 3 as the typical, recommended maximum.The table currently lists 4 colors black,white, red and blue. Revise the table to by limiting the overall number of sign colors to 3. If black is removed from the list,the Ballet sign letters would have to change from black to white and a sign permit/ARB application submitted for review. 2. The proposed amendment to the CSC reduces the minimum clear space above or below a sign from 6 inches to 3 inches in the following locations: Building 1 West elevation southern corner, South elevation canopy above door, Building 3 West elevation between first and second story windows.Three inches of clearance is insufficient in these locations leading to a crowded appearance for the overall sign. Revise the table by removing this proposed change. 3. Regarding the canopy in the West (front) elevation: revise the amended CSC table proposal to require a 12" minimum clearance above and below channel letters and a 3" clearance above and below graphics. I will call you to go over this on the phone. Brent Brent W. Nelson Planner Planning Services, Community Development Albemarle County Office Building 401 McIntire Road, 22902 434-296-5832, ext. 3438 bnelson @albemarle.org <Ron Martin Comprehensive w red edits.pdf> <US Cellular Sign Binder 2016.pdf5 2 'vr' ywi` Brent Nelson From: Brent Nelson Sent: Wednesday,January 27, 2016 5:32 PM To: 'Logan Martin' Subject: ARB 2015-126 U.S. Cellular Sign, Staff Comments Attachments: Ron Martin Comprehensive w red edits.pdf; US Cellular Sign Binder 2016.pdf Logan - I have completed my review of your most recent revised sign drawings and the proposed amendment to the existing Comprehensive Sign Criteria for this property—both of which are attached.The following issues remain needing to be adequately addressed for my administrative approval. Note:the issues highlighted in yellow were included in my previous comments but not addressed in this latest submission. Regarding the U.S Cellular sign proposal: Sign size: 1. West(front)elevation sign:The drawing does not show any clearance between the top edge of the star graphic and the cornice above; 3" is the typical minimum. Revise the sign drawing accordingly. 2. South (side) elevation sign: a. The drawing does not show the clearance between the top edge of the US Cellular sign (star graphic) and the bottom of the existing Ryan Homes sign above; 12" would be appropriate. Revise the sign drawing accordingly. b. The drawing incorrectly shows a 12 inch dimension between the US Cellular and Ryan Homes raceways. Revise the sign drawing to correct the dimension. c. The total height of the star graphic, including the white backer panel is not shown. Revise the sign drawing to include that dimension. Sign color: 1. Drawings for both wall sign locations still indicate the raceway color will be Sherwin Williams 6123 Tan.That is not the current approved color for that elevation. Revise the drawings for both wall signs to eliminate the reference to a specific color and include the following note: "The raceway color shall match the color of the wall to which it shall be attached." Freestanding sign,tenant panel: 1. The sign drawing still does not include the required opaque background note. Revise the sign drawing to include the following note: "The tenant panel sign shall have an opaque background, only the text and graphic shall illuminate." Regarding the proposed amendment to the Comprehensive Sign Criteria (CSC): 1. It was previously recommended that the proposed criteria table show: a. The criteria to be deleted with a strikethrough mark. Revise the table accordingly. b. Additional sign locations in the South (side)elevation. Existing criteria do not allow a sign beneath the existing Ryan Homes sign. Revise the table to allow up to two additional signs directly beneath the Ryan Homes sign with 12"of clearance between the top and bottom edge of each sign. c. The maximum number of overall sign colors for the building with 3 as the typical, recommended maximum.The table currently lists 4 colors black,white, red and blue. Revise the table to by limiting the overall number of sign colors to 3. If black is removed from the list,the Ballet sign letters would have to change from black to white and a sign permit/ARB application submitted for review. 2. The proposed amendment to the CSC reduces the minimum clear space above or below a sign from 6 inches to 3 inches in the following locations: Building 1 West elevation southern corner,South elevation canopy above door, Building 3 West elevation between first and second story windows.Three inches of clearance is insufficient in 1 rrr' these locations leading to a crowded appearance for the overall sign. Revise the table by removing this proposed change. 3. Regarding the canopy in the West (front) elevation: revise the amended CSC table proposal to require a 12" minimum clearance above and below channel letters and a 3" clearance above and below graphics. I will call you to go over this on the phone. Brent Brent W. Nelson Planner Planning Services, Community Development Albemarle County Office Building 401 McIntire Road, 22902 434-296-5832, ext. 3438 bnelson @albemarle.org 2 Brent Nelson From: Margaret Maliszewski Sent: Wednesday,January 27, 2016 9:43 AM To: Brent Nelson Subject: FW: regarding sign status From: Logan Martin [mailto:kayak-too @hotmail.com] Sent:Wednesday,January 27, 2016 9:35 AM To: Margaret Maliszewski<MMaliszewski @albemarle.org> Subject: regarding sign status Margaret, Good morning! Brent is working hard and let me know yesterday to anticipate his comments about the sign package today. As soon as I get his response, I will let US Cellular know what they need to do. I have asked them to be on standby and to make the changes right away because the lease automatically terminates (by contract) if I do not have sign approval by January 31. US Cellular's sign company has had 3 personnel changes since this began, so the delay and mistakes are their fault, but I don't know if that helps me legally in a dispute. So the question I have is... if they (US Cellular's sign company) can make the changes that Brent needs quickly, is there a chance of getting approval before this weekend, or at least a verbal approval. The reason for my desperation: The building is nearly$60,000 late on taxes and penalties. We have secured a loan to cover those taxes. Unfortunately, that loan is contingent on this lease. I'm sorry to be a pest. Thanks for all of you help. Sincerely, Logan Martin 434-466-1066 1 a w -w.r Brent Nelson From: Logan Martin <kayak-too @hotmail.com> Sent: Tuesday,January 26, 2016 5:06 PM To: Brent Nelson Subject: Re: New sign binder and criteria I understand. Thanks so much for your help. Be safe going home. Logan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Brent Nelson<bnelson@albemarle.org>wrote: Logan - I have been reviewing your latest US Cellular sign drawings today and drafting an email to you with the remaining issues outlined.This is first on my list to complete and email to you when I get in tomorrow. We can discuss it over the phone before you then forward it to US Cellular. I would have had this to you sooner but I was snowed in Friday and Monday. Brent Brent W. Nelson Planner Planning Services, Community Development Albemarle County Office Building 401 McIntire Road, 22902 434-296-5832, ext. 3438 bnelson @albemarle.org From: Logan Martin [mailto:kavak-too @hotmail.com] Sent:Tuesday,January 26, 2016 9:55 AM To: Brent Nelson<bnelson@albemarle.org> Subject: Re: New sign binder and criteria Sounds great. Thank you! Logan 434-466-1066 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Brent Nelson<bnelson@albemarle.org> wrote: Logan - I can meet with you but what you really need is an email from me outlining what the current issues are. I was out Friday and Monday due to the storm. I am in the office today and plan to complete me review and email it to you today. We can then discuss it in person or on the phone. Brent Brent W. Nelson 1 Lourr Nei of Planner Planning Services, Community Development Albemarle County Office Building 401 McIntire Road, 22902 434-296-5832, ext. 3438 bnelson @albemarle.org From: Logan Martin [mailto:kayak-too @hotmail.com] Sent: Monday,January 25, 2016 4:03 PM To: Brent Nelson<bnelson @albemarle.org> Subject: Re: New sign binder and criteria Brent, is there a time we can meet soon to discuss the signage. I mentioned that the delay is obviously not your(or the county's) fault. US Cellular took a long time to get this back to us. However, the lease automatically terminates if I do not have approval by January 31. I may be able to sue them but they probably have good lawyers. It would be so much better if we can meet that deadline. I'm sorry to be a pest. Logan Martin 434-466-1066 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2016, at 9:15 AM, Brent Nelson<bnelson @albemarle.org>wrote: Hi Logan - Sorry to have not called you yesterday.The number of phone calls is extreme this week. I have a meeting right now but will call as soon as I get out—probably around 11. Brent Brent W. Nelson Planner Planning Services, Community Development Albemarle County Office Building 401 McIntire Road, 22902 434-296-5832, ext. 3438 bnelson @albemarle.org From: Logan Martin [mailto:kayak-too @hotmail.com] Sent:Thursday,January 21, 2016 8:38 AM To: Brent Nelson<bnelson @albemarle.org> Subject: Re: New sign binder and criteria Good morning Brent! I'm just checking in. Give me a call when you get a chance. Thanks - Logan Martin 434-466-1066 2 From: Brent Nelson<bnelson @albemarle.org> ....r Sent:Thursday,January 14, 2016 5:56 PM To: 'Logan Martin' Subject: RE: New sign binder and criteria Hi Logan - Just wanted you to know Margaret forwarded this to me so I can review and get back to you next week. Our office is closed Friday and Monday for the Lee-Jackson, King holiday. Brent Brent W. Nelson Planner Planning Services, Community Development Albemarle County Office Building 401 McIntire Road, 22902 434-296-5832, ext. 3438 bnelson @albemarle.org From: Margaret Maliszewski Sent:Tuesday,January 12, 2016 1:48 PM To: Brent Nelson<bnelson @albemarle.org> Subject: FW: New sign binder and criteria From: Logan Martin [mailto:kayak-too @hotmail.com] Sent:Tuesday,January 12, 2016 1:30 PM To: Margaret Maliszewski<MMaliszewski @albemarle.org> Subject: New sign binder and criteria Margaret, Good afternoon. I'm very sorry that this has taken so long. There have been 3 different people working on this from the sign company that US Cellular uses. I asked Doug at High-tech to help me with the sign criteria. He was unable to get to it at the end of last year and he was sick last week and will be out all of this week, so I did my best to fill out the sign criteria in the correct manner so that everything fits together according to our last meeting. On thing I noticed is that there is a problem with a few of the drawings in the sign binder... there is not 3" of clearance between the top of the star and the cornice in the canopy. I have made US Cellular aware that this will be a problem. I look forward to any other comments you have so that we can move forward. Thanks so much - Logan Martin 434-466-1066 3 Brent Nelson From: Brent Nelson Sent: Tuesday,January 26, 2016 4:55 PM To: 'Logan Martin' Subject: RE: New sign binder and criteria Logan - I have been reviewing your latest US Cellular sign drawings today and drafting an email to you with the remaining issues outlined.This is first on my list to complete and email to you when I get in tomorrow. We can discuss it over the phone before you then forward it to US Cellular. I would have had this to you sooner but I was snowed in Friday and Monday. Brent Brent W. Nelson Planner Planning Services, Community Development Albemarle County Office Building 401 McIntire Road, 22902 434-296-5832, ext. 3438 bnelson@albemarle.org From: Logan Martin [mailto:kayak-too @hotmail.com] Sent:Tuesday,January 26, 2016 9:55 AM To: Brent Nelson<bnelson @albemarle.org> Subject: Re: New sign binder and criteria Sounds great. Thank you! Logan 434-466-1066 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Brent Nelson<bnelsonAalbemarle.org> wrote: Logan - I can meet with you but what you really need is an email from me outlining what the current issues are. I was out Friday and Monday due to the storm. I am in the office today and plan to complete me review and email it to you today. We can then discuss it in person or on the phone. Brent Brent W. Nelson Planner Planning Services, Community Development Albemarle County Office Building 401 McIntire Road, 22902 434-296-5832, ext. 3438 bnelson @albemarle.org 1 From: Logan Martin [mailto:kayak-too @hotmail.com] Sent: Monday,January 25, 2016 4:03 PM To: Brent Nelson<bnelson @albemarle.org> Subject: Re: New sign binder and criteria Brent, is there a time we can meet soon to discuss the signage. I mentioned that the delay is obviously not your(or the county's) fault. US Cellular took a long time to get this back to us. However, the lease automatically terminates if I do not have approval by January 31. I may be able to sue them but they probably have good lawyers. It would be so much better if we can meet that deadline. I'm sorry to be a pest. Logan Martin 434-466-1066 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2016, at 9:15 AM, Brent Nelson<bnelson@albemarle.org>wrote: Hi Logan - Sorry to have not called you yesterday.The number of phone calls is extreme this week. I have a meeting right now but will call as soon as I get out— probably around 11. Brent Brent W. Nelson Planner Planning Services, Community Development Albemarle County Office Building 401 McIntire Road, 22902 434-296-5832, ext. 3438 bnelson@albemarle.org From: Logan Martin [mailto:kayak-too @hotmail.com] Sent:Thursday,January 21, 2016 8:38 AM To: Brent Nelson<bnelson @albemarle.org> Subject: Re: New sign binder and criteria Good morning Brent! I'm just checking in. Give me a call when you get a chance. Thanks- Logan Martin 434-466-1066 From: Brent Nelson<bnelson @albemarle.org> Sent:Thursday,January 14, 2016 5:56 PM To: 'Logan Martin' Subject: RE: New sign binder and criteria Hi Logan - Just wanted you to know Margaret forwarded this to me so I can review and get back to you next week. Our office is closed Friday and Monday for the Lee-Jackson, King holiday. 2 Brent v..- Brent W. Nelson Planner Planning Services, Community Development Albemarle County Office Building 401 McIntire Road, 22902 434-296-5832, ext. 3438 bnelson@albemarle.org From: Margaret Maliszewski Sent:Tuesday,January 12, 2016 1:48 PM To: Brent Nelson<bnelson @albemarle.org> Subject: FW: New sign binder and criteria From: Logan Martin [mailto:kayak-too @hotmail.com] Sent:Tuesday,January 12,2016 1:30 PM To: Margaret Maliszewski<MMaliszewski @albemarle.org> Subject: New sign binder and criteria Margaret, Good afternoon. I'm very sorry that this has taken so long. There have been 3 different people working on this from the sign company that US Cellular uses. I asked Doug at High-tech to help me with the sign criteria. He was unable to get to it at the end of last year and he was sick last week and will be out all of this week, so I did my best to fill out the sign criteria in the correct manner so that everything fits together according to our last meeting. On thing I noticed is that there is a problem with a few of the drawings in the sign binder... there is not 3" of clearance between the top of the star and the cornice in the canopy. I have made US Cellular aware that this will be a problem. I look forward to any other comments you have so that we can move forward. Thanks so much - Logan Martin 434-466-1066 3