HomeMy WebLinkAboutSUB201500111 Review Comments Road Plan and Comps. 2016-05-10COMMONWEALTH of VIRGINIA
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
1601 Orange Road
Culpeper. Virginia 22701
Charles A. Kilpatrick, P.E.
Commissioner
May 10, 2016
Mr. John Anderson
County of Albemarle
Department of Community Development
401 McIntire Road
Charlottesville, VA 22902
Re: SUB -2015-001 11 Chesterfield Landing
Dear Mr. Anderson
We have reviewed the Road Plans for Chesterfield Landing, as submitted by Shimp Engineering, dated
April 04, 2016 and offer the following comments:
Road Plan:
VDOT has no objectionkomments to the final Construction Road PIans.
If you need further information concerning this project please do not hesitate to contact me at 434-422-
9373.
Joel DeNunzio, P.E.
Resident Engineer
VDOT Charlottesville Residency
WE KEEP VIRGINIA MOVING
COUNTY OF ALBEMARLE
Department of Community Development
401 McIntire Road, Room 227
Charlottesville, Virginia 22902-4596
Phone (434) 296-5832 Fax (434) 972-4126
Project:
Plan preparer:
Owner or rep.:
Plan received date:
(Rev. 1)
(Rev. 2)
(Rev. 3)
(Rev. 4)
Date of comments:
(Rev. 1)
(Rev. 2)
(Rev. 3)
(Rev. 4)
Reviewer:
Chesterfield Landing —ROAD PLANS
Justin Shimp, Shimp Engineering, 201 E. Main St., Suite M, Charlottesville, VA
22902 [iustin@shimp-en ing eering com]
Frank, Ann Jarman & Walter M Jarman Jr. & George Burton Jarman, 9 Hunters
Trail, Waynesboro, VA 22980-6593
22 Jun 2015
21 Aug 2015
13 Nov 2015
18 Feb 2016
29 Feb 2016 (.PDF
21 Jul 2015
14 Sep 2015
3 Dec 2015
28 Feb 2016
1 Mar 2016 (e -review
John Anderson
A. Road and drainage plans (SUB201500111)
1. VDOT approval is required. Comments will be forwarded when received. (Rev. 1) Acknowledged.
Applicant response (19 -Aug): "A comment response letter for all VDOT comments is included with this
submittal."
2. LD -347 —Inlets B2, B5, C5 inlet water surface elevation appears higher than crown of pipe. Please check
design to ensure that Q 1 o flow is contained within each section of pipe without pressurized conditions.
(Rev. 1) Addressed; LD -229 indicates flow within pipe capacity.
3. Storm MH -B3 height >12.0. Provide safety slab, provide safety slab detail. (Rev. 1) Addressed.
4. C15 —For MH -C3 and MH -136, provide detail/note that specifies subgrade support for MHs in fill sections.
(Rev. 1) Addressed.
5. C4, C5 —Revise labels for drainage easements that lie beyond public RW to read private (across Lots 8 and
9; between Lots 11/12, 13/14, 23/24; and behind Lots 17-23). (Rev. 1) Partially Addressed. As follow-up
to request for more recent policy statement, Engineering has referred question for legal review, and will
update Applicant as soon as possible. We appreciate interest in most current guidance. (Rev. 2) —Please
accept 26 Oct Asst. County Attorney guidance relative to easements. We can discuss further later today.
(Rev. 3) Partially addressed. As follow-up: Please revise labels, Lots 11, 14, 17, 20 (C5, C4) to read
`New 20' private storm sewer easement.' for storm sewer easements beyond RW. Also, provide private
storm sewer easement at NW corner Int. Oxbow/Watervale for portion of easement beyond public RW.
(Rev. 4) Addressed.
6. Sidewalks and CG must extend around each cul-de-sac. (Rev. 1) Addressed.
7. Revise cul-de-sac radius, per VDOT/ACF&R preliminary plat comments. (Rev. 1) Not Addressed.
Applicant response is informative, but does not meet VDOT stated request for 45' R if a school bus is
expected to use the cul-de-sac. Applicant response: "We are submitting a request to the Fire Marshal for an
exemption from the radius requirement." Engineering supports VDOT cul-de-sac Min. R request. Fire
Marshal ruling does not alleviate need to meet other agencies' cul-de-sac Min. R requirements. Also, report
cul-de-sac radius as either F/C or EP; avoid mixing the two (ref. R, cul-de-sac, either end Oxbow Drive).
(Rev. 2) Addressed. Applicant response letter, 12 Nov 2015: "Renee DeVall of Albemarle County
Engineering Review Comments
Page 2 of 3
Schools has stated that the development does not meet the criteria for an internal school bus stop, so school
buses are not expected to use the cul-de-sac. We are in the process of seeking approval from Albemarle
County Fire & Rescue for a reduced radius for the northern cul-de-sac."
8. 19 -Jun 2015 Letter to Megan Yaniglos, response to comments 6 and 7, references cul-de-sacs as temporary,
and explains that permanent sidewalks around temporary cul-de-sacs will lead to issues in the future. There
is no provision for approving a design as temporary unless it meets standards that otherwise apply to
permanent features. Development plans change. What may appear certain may be delayed indefinitely.
The letter outlines proposal for 35' R temporary cul-de-sacs in response to Fire Rescue request for 96' R.
We find VDOT request for 45' radius if a school bus is expected to use the cul-de-sac. If this concept is
approved, denying future similar request from other applicants would be untenable. Request for approval of
temporary features that do not meet design standards may proliferate, may extend to other features; SWM,
for example. If development with properties south or north is certain, then low impact designs that extend
Oxbow Drive with grade, transitions, and width that eliminate cul-de-sacs altogether may prove of tangible
benefit, but unless current design meets County, ACF&R, and VDOT standards, it cannot be approved. The
risks are several: temporary becomes permanent; proposed sidewalk design forces owners of one lot to step
nearly to the street to reach the sidewalk; and forces owners of two to step into the street to reach sidewalk.
(Rev. 1) Partially addressed; see also item #7, above. (cul-de-sac Min. R) (Rev. 2) Addressed. County
agrees that current submittal reflects consensus relating to cul-de-sac/sidewalks that was reached between
Engineering, Planning, VDOT, and Applicant, 14 Oct 2015, during a plan review meeting.
9. Extend RW one foot beyond sidewalk. Revise RW to 54'. Revise typical RW cross-section, sheet C9.
(Rev. 1) Not Addressed. Ref. Code 14-428. Restate request to extend RW one foot beyond sidewalk.
(Rev. 2) Comment withdrawn, but not for reason provided in response letter of 12 Nov 2015. Letter
states Planning confirms ordinance does not require sidewalk to be located within the right-of-way.
Engineering has met and discussed the issue with Planning, and as consequence cautions that Code Sec. 14-
422 provides review latitude. Planning intends to support Engineering recommendation that RW width be
sufficient for underground storm drain/other utilities. 14-422 allows an Agent to require that a sidewalk
proposed by a subdivider to be privately -maintained, instead be dedicated to public use.
10. C6, C7 —Relocate SCC text from beneath hatching so readable. (Rev. 1) Addressed.
11. 2: 1 slopes behind Lots 10-15 require vegetative stabilization hardier than grass. Specify ground
cover/stabilization (species). —ref. ACDSM 8.A.2. (Rev. 1) Addressed.
12. Recommend retaining walls behind Lots 10-15. This would extend level space 20-25 ft. (Rev. 1)
Applicant: Recommendation declined.
13. C10, profile Watervale Drive —Vertical curves 2 and 5 do not meet private street minimum K value. Alb.
County defers to VDOT since Watervale is a public street, but VDOT comments are advisory. As such,
examine alternative profiles that increase K -value to more nearly approach private street sag vertical curve
minimum K -value, which is 15.0. —ref. ACDSM 7.F./table. (Rev. 1) Not Addressed. Design elements to
consider: continue 2% cross grade at each end of Watervale Drive; lower Elev. of Watervale crest curve;
elevate intersection, Watervale/Oxbow; shorten 2% grades (landings) at either end of Watervale; and
transition to longer vertical curves more quickly. Design was discussed with County Engineer. (Rev. 2)
Not addressed. Applicant response focuses on intersections, not the proposed profile between. Response:
"VDOT's Regional Land Use Engineer instructed us to design the intersections with a 50' landing at 2%
and a 40' vertical curve leading out of the landing. He believes that the long, flat landing creates a safer
intersection than the 40' landing at 4% required by Albemarle County. We have computed the headlight
angle with his intersection design, and all stopping sight distance requirements are met." Engineering
accepts VDOT guidance relative to intersections, but restates request for sag curve K -values that more
nearly approach 15.0. (Rev. 3) Addressed.
New
14. Recommend remove sheet C16 from sheet index and plan. (Rev. 4) Addressed.
15. C2 —Confirm transfer of Area `B'. Road plan cannot approve construction, grading, or improvements on
property not under control of Applicant. (Rev. 4) Addressed.
16. C3 —Confirm transfer of Area required to construct cul-de-sac at the south end of Oxbow Drive. Cul-de-sac
is shown off property. Road plan cannot approve improvements on property not under control of Applicant.
(Rev. 4) Addressed.
17. C3 —Label Lickinghole Creek. Label stream buffer. (Rev. 4) Addressed.
Engineering Review Comments
Page 3 of 3
18. C4 —Label inlet Str. B 10. (Rev. 4) Addressed.
19. C4 —Label Watervale Drive horizontal curve radii (review error possible). (Rev. 4) Addressed.
20. C4 —Reverse flow arrow between inlets BI I and B10. (Rev. 4) Addressed.
21. C5 —Oxbow Drive/PT may be required/missing between Sta. 15+81 and 16+06 (these Sta. labelled PC).
(Rev. 4) Addressed.
22. Check horizontal curve data, Oxbow Drive; please ensure horizontal curve design data is listed. (Rev. 4)
Addressed.
23. C6 —Ditch sections table: Width SCC2, Sta. 10-11, may be 16' rather than 26' —please confirm width.
(Rev. 4) Addressed.
24. LD -204: Please check inlet Str. A3, Depth at curb —apparent misprint. (Rev. 4) Addressed.
25. LD -229: Recommend revise pipe DIA to 18" between points C6 and C5 since 15" DIA pipe listed at
98.65% capacity. (Rev. 4) Addressed.
All County ROAD Plan review comments addressed with this or prior submittal. Thank you.
SUB201500111_Chesterfield Landing_RP 030116rev4
COUNTY OF ALBEMARLE
Department of Community Development
401 McIntire Road, Room 227
Charlottesville, Virginia 22902-4596
Phone (434) 296-5832 Fax (434) 972-4126
Project:
Plan preparer:
Owner or rep.:
Plan received date:
(Rev. 1)
(Rev. 2)
(Rev. 3)
Date of comments:
(Rev. 1)
(Rev. 2)
(Rev. 3)
Reviewer:
Chesterfield Landing —ROAD PLANS
Justin Shimp, Shimp Engineering, 201 E. Main St., Suite M, Charlottesville, VA
22902 [iustin@shimp-en ing eering com]
Frank, Ann Jarman & Walter M Jarman Jr. & George Burton Jarman, 9 Hunters
Trail, Waynesboro, VA 22980-6593
22 Jun 2015
21 Aug 2015
13 Nov 2015
18 Feb 2016
21 Jul 2015
14 Sep 2015
3 Dec 2015
28 Feb 2016
John Anderson
A. Road and drainage plans (SUB201500111)
1. VDOT approval is required. Comments will be forwarded when received. (Rev. 1) Acknowledged.
Applicant response (19 -Aug): "A comment response letter for all VDOT comments is included with this
submittal."
2. LD -347 —Inlets B2, B5, C5 inlet water surface elevation appears higher than crown of pipe. Please check
design to ensure that Q 1 o flow is contained within each section of pipe without pressurized conditions.
(Rev. 1) Addressed; LD -229 indicates flow within pipe capacity.
3. Storm MH -B3 height >12.0. Provide safety slab, provide safety slab detail. (Rev. 1) Addressed.
4. C15 —For MH -C3 and MH -136, provide detail/note that specifies subgrade support for MHs in fill sections.
(Rev. 1) Addressed.
5. C4, C5 —Revise labels for drainage easements that lie beyond public RW to read private (across Lots 8 and
9; between Lots 11/12, 13/14, 23/24; and behind Lots 17-23). (Rev. 1) Partially Addressed. As follow-up
to request for more recent policy statement, Engineering has referred question for legal review, and will
update Applicant as soon as possible. We appreciate interest in most current guidance. (Rev. 2) —Please
accept 26 Oct Asst. County Attorney guidance relative to easements. We can discuss further later today.
(Rev. 3) Partially addressed. As follow-up: Please revise labels, Lots 11, 14, 17, 20 (C5, C4) to read
`New 20' private storm sewer easement.' for storm sewer easements beyond RW. Also, provide private
storm sewer easement at NW corner Int. Oxbow/Watervale for portion of easement beyond public RW.
6. Sidewalks and CG must extend around each cul-de-sac. (Rev. 1) Addressed.
7. Revise cul-de-sac radius, per VDOT/ACF&R preliminary plat comments. (Rev. 1) Not Addressed.
Applicant response is informative, but does not meet VDOT stated request for 45' R if a school bus is
expected to use the cul-de-sac. Applicant response: "We are submitting a request to the Fire Marshal for an
exemption from the radius requirement." Engineering supports VDOT cul-de-sac Min. R request. Fire
Marshal ruling does not alleviate need to meet other agencies' cul-de-sac Min. R requirements. Also, report
cul-de-sac radius as either F/C or EP; avoid mixing the two (ref. R, cul-de-sac, either end Oxbow Drive).
(Rev. 2) Addressed. Applicant response letter, 12 Nov 2015: "Renee DeVall of Albemarle County
Schools has stated that the development does not meet the criteria for an internal school bus stop, so school
buses are not expected to use the cul-de-sac. We are in the process of seeking approval from Albemarle
County Fire & Rescue for a reduced radius for the northern cul-de-sac."
Engineering Review Comments
Page 2 of 3
8. 19 -Jun 2015 Letter to Megan Yaniglos, response to comments 6 and 7, references cul-de-sacs as temporary,
and explains that permanent sidewalks around temporary cul-de-sacs will lead to issues in the future. There
is no provision for approving a design as temporary unless it meets standards that otherwise apply to
permanent features. Development plans change. What may appear certain may be delayed indefinitely.
The letter outlines proposal for 35' R temporary cul-de-sacs in response to Fire Rescue request for 96' R.
We find VDOT request for 45' radius if a school bus is expected to use the cul-de-sac. If this concept is
approved, denying future similar request from other applicants would be untenable. Request for approval of
temporary features that do not meet design standards may proliferate, may extend to other features; SWM,
for example. If development with properties south or north is certain, then low impact designs that extend
Oxbow Drive with grade, transitions, and width that eliminate cul-de-sacs altogether may prove of tangible
benefit, but unless current design meets County, ACF&R, and VDOT standards, it cannot be approved. The
risks are several: temporary becomes permanent; proposed sidewalk design forces owners of one lot to step
nearly to the street to reach the sidewalk; and forces owners of two to step into the street to reach sidewalk.
(Rev. 1) Partially addressed; see also item #7, above. (cul-de-sac Min. R) (Rev. 2) Addressed. County
agrees that current submittal reflects consensus relating to cul-de-sac/sidewalks that was reached between
Engineering, Planning, VDOT, and Applicant, 14 Oct 2015, during a plan review meeting.
9. Extend RW one foot beyond sidewalk. Revise RW to 54'. Revise typical RW cross-section, sheet C9.
(Rev. 1) Not Addressed. Ref. Code 14-428. Restate request to extend RW one foot beyond sidewalk.
(Rev. 2) Comment withdrawn, but not for reason provided in response letter of 12 Nov 2015. Letter
states Planning confirms ordinance does not require sidewalk to be located within the right-of-way.
Engineering has met and discussed the issue with Planning, and as consequence cautions that Code Sec. 14-
422 provides review latitude. Planning intends to support Engineering recommendation that RW width be
sufficient for underground storm drain/other utilities. 14-422 allows an Agent to require that a sidewalk
proposed by a subdivider to be privately -maintained, instead be dedicated to public use.
10. C6, C7 —Relocate SCC text from beneath hatching so readable. (Rev. 1) Addressed.
11. 2: 1 slopes behind Lots 10-15 require vegetative stabilization hardier than grass. Specify ground
cover/stabilization (species). —ref. ACDSM 8.A.2. (Rev. 1) Addressed.
12. Recommend retaining walls behind Lots 10-15. This would extend level space 20-25 ft. (Rev. 1)
Applicant: Recommendation declined.
13. C10, profile Watervale Drive —Vertical curves 2 and 5 do not meet private street minimum K value. Alb.
County defers to VDOT since Watervale is a public street, but VDOT comments are advisory. As such,
examine alternative profiles that increase K -value to more nearly approach private street sag vertical curve
minimum K -value, which is 15.0. —ref. ACDSM 7.F./table. (Rev. 1) Not Addressed. Design elements to
consider: continue 2% cross grade at each end of Watervale Drive; lower Elev. of Watervale crest curve;
elevate intersection, Watervale/Oxbow; shorten 2% grades (landings) at either end of Watervale; and
transition to longer vertical curves more quickly. Design was discussed with County Engineer. (Rev. 2)
Not addressed. Applicant response focuses on intersections, not the proposed profile between. Response:
"VDOT's Regional Land Use Engineer instructed us to design the intersections with a 50' landing at 2%
and a 40' vertical curve leading out of the landing. He believes that the long, flat landing creates a safer
intersection than the 40' landing at 4% required by Albemarle County. We have computed the headlight
angle with his intersection design, and all stopping sight distance requirements are met." Engineering
accepts VDOT guidance relative to intersections, but restates request for sag curve K -values that more
nearly approach 15.0. (Rev. 3) Addressed.
New
14. Recommend remove sheet C 16 from sheet index and plan.
15. C2 —Confirm transfer of Area `B'. Road plan cannot approve construction, grading, or improvements on
property not under control of Applicant.
16. C3 —Confirm transfer of Area required to construct cul-de-sac at the south end of Oxbow Drive. Cul-de-sac
is shown off property. Road plan cannot approve improvements on property not under control of Applicant.
17. C3 —Label Lickinghole Creek. Label stream buffer.
18. C4 —Label inlet Str. B 10.
19. C4 —Label Watervale Drive horizontal curve radii (review error possible).
20. C4 —Reverse flow arrow between inlets B 11 and B 10.
21. C5 —Oxbow Drive/PT may be required/missing between Sta. 15+81 and 16+06 (these Sta. labelled PC).
Engineering Review Comments
Page 3 of 3
22. Check horizontal curve data, Oxbow Drive; please ensure horizontal curve design data is listed.
23. C6 —Ditch sections table: Width SCC2, Sta. 10-11, may be 16' rather than 26' —please confirm width.
24. LD -204: Please check inlet Str. A3, Depth at curb —apparent misprint.
25. LD -229: Recommend revise pipe DIA to 18" between points C6 and C5 since 15" DIA pipe listed at
98.65% capacity.
Thank you.
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COMMONWEALTH of VIRGINIA
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
1601 Orange Road
Culpeper Virginia 22701
Charles A. Kilpatrick, P.E.
Commissioner
December 21, 2015
Mr. John Anderson
County of Albemarle
Department of Community Development
401 McIntire Road
Charlottesville, VA 22902
Re: SUB-2015-001 11 Chesterfield Landing
Dear Mr. Anderson
We have reviewed the Road Plans for Chesterfield Landing, as submitted by Shimp Engineering, dated
November 12, 2015 and offer the following comments:
Road Plan:
1. Previous comment: "Diagonal curb ramps force pedestrians descending the ramp to proceed into
the intersection before turning to the left or right. Therefore, they are not recommended for new
construction. "Curb Ranrp Application Details "for new construction can be found in Appendix A
of the Road Design Manual ". I.e. The ramps located at the intersection of Watervale Drive and
Crozet Ave. should also be adjusted accordingly.
2. Upon further investigation of the road design there are concerns regarding the substandard
vertical curves at the intersection of Watervale and Oxbow Drive as well as the intersection of
Watervale and Crozet Ave. The sag vertical curve should be adjusted to meet the minimum
design standards in order to ensure that potential hazards do not exist, especially ones that
become apparent when weather conditions, or darkness, reduce visibility.
VSMP Plan: No comments
Maintenance of Traffic Plan:
1. Sheet 1:
a. Previous comment: "Note 7 should be updated to &I wedge. "
...and removing the 44 6:1 wedge shall be included...
b. Sheet Index: Sheet 5 labeling should be updated.
c. Project Narrative: Phase 3 narrative should be included.
d. The cover page should numbering (top right corner) should be revised to say Page 1 of 5.
2. Sheet 3: The sheet should be revised to say Page 2 of 5.
3. Sheet 4:
a. Note 2 should be revised/removed to address the mill.:overlay on sheet 5.
b. A "Road Work Ahead" sign should also be added on Davis Dr. (Rt. 1231) and
Brownsville Road (Rt. 751).
4. Sheet 5:
a. A "Road Work Ahead" sign should also be added on Brownsville Road (Rt. 751).
b. The flagger on the east bound side of Crozet Ave. should be adjusted to control the traffic
from Davis Drive or an additional flagger may be necessary.
If you need further information concerning this project, or if you wish to schedule a meeting, please do
not hesitate to contact me at (434) 422 -9894.
Sincerely,
Shelly A. Plaster
Land Development Engineer
Culpeper District
WE KEEP VIRGINIA MOVING
John Anderson
From: John Anderson
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 2:35 PM
To: 'Lauren Gilroy';Justin Shimp, P.E.; (Nathran.Austin@vdot.virginia.gov)
Cc: Glenn Brooks; Max Greene;Justin Deel; Matthew Wentland
Subject: SUB201500111 Chesterfield Landing RP -K-value
Troy,
Please feel free to comment on this note,or redirect my attention.
Lauren,Justin,
As follow-up to plan review meeting yesterday,I spoke with Glenn, spoke with Troy(Monday), and checked VDOT
subdivision street design guide,Appx F/excerpt,below.
[LINK: http://www.extranet.vdot.state.va.us/locdes/Electronic Pubs/2005%2ORDM/AppendF.pdf (p.41)]
Stopping Sight Distance
Stopping sight distances exceeding those shown in the table below should be used as
basis for design wherever practical.
In computing and measuring stopping sight distances, the height of the driver's eye is
estimated to be 3.5 feet and the height of the object to be seen by the driver is 2 feet,
equivalent to the taillight height of a passenger car. The "K Values- shown are a
coefficient by which the algebraic difference in grade may be multiplied to determine the
length in feet of the vertical curve that will provide minimum sight distance. Crest vertical
curves shall meet or exceed AASHTO design criteria for Stopping Sight Distance, not
the "k" Values. The "K" valves for sag vertical curves take into account the headlight
sight distance.
Height of Eye 3.5' Height of Object 2'
Design Speed (mph) 25 30 35 40 45 50 55 60 65 70 75
MIN. SIGHT DISTANCE(FT.) 155 200 250 305 360 425 495 570 645 730 820
MINIMUM K VALUE FOR:
CREST VERTICAL CURVES 12 19 29 44 61 84 114 151 193 247 312
SAG VERTICAL CURVES 26 37 49 64 79 96 115 136 157 181 206
Source: 2011 AASHTO Green Book, Chapter 3, Section 3.2.2, page 3-4
TABLE 2-5 STOPPING SIGHT DISTANCE
When a highway is on a grade, the sight distances in the table below shall be used.
I anticipate VDOT will require/request that Watervale Drive profile meet VDOT standards. This is County expectation,
as well. I may be overlooking plan information. Please direct me to note, label,etc.that may address 3-Dec review
comment#13. I feel that I have the right reference with Appx. F, above. [Source: 2011 AASHTO Green Book, Chapter
3, Section 3.2.2,page 3-4] Please compare 25 mph design speed Min K table value with sag vertical curve K provided:
6.00, W end: 3.08, E end.
Note: 12%and 15%grades at either end of Watervale Drive(with 2%grade for 132 LF between crest curves)may save
construction expense,but at expense of Min. standards.
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I feel constrained to restate request for design that more nearly approaches VDOT design standard for Min. K
values. This means, I feel, flattening and lengthening crest curves.
Please share your thoughts.
Thank you
John E.Anderson, PE I Civil Engineer II
Department of Community Development I County of Albemarle,Virginia
401 McIntire Road I Charlottesville,VA 22902
434.296.5832 ext. 3069
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COUNTY OF ALBEMARLE
Department of Community Development
401 McIntire Road, Room 227
Charlottesville, Virginia 22902-4596
Phone (434) 296-5832 Fax (434) 972-4126
Project:
Chesterfield Landing —ROAD PLANS
Plan preparer:
Justin Shimp, Shimp Engineering, 201 E. Main St., Suite M, Charlottesville, VA
22902 [iustin@shimp-en ing eering com]
Owner or rep.:
Frank, Ann Jarman & Walter M Jarman Jr. & George Burton Jarman, 9 Hunters
Trail, Waynesboro, VA 22980-6593
Plan received date:
22 Jun 2015
(Rev. 1)
21 Aug 2015
(Rev. 2)
13 Nov 2015
Date of comments:
21 Jul 2015
(Rev. 1)
14 Sep 2015
(Rev. 2)
3 Dec 2015
Reviewer:
John Anderson
A. Road and drainage plans (SUB201500111)
1. VDOT approval is required. Comments will be forwarded when received. (Rev. 1) Acknowledged.
Applicant response (19 -Aug): "A comment response letter for all VDOT comments is included with this
submittal."
2. LD -347 —Inlets B2, B5, C5 inlet water surface elevation appears higher than crown of pipe. Please check
design to ensure that Qio flow is contained within each section of pipe without pressurized conditions.
(Rev. 1) Addressed; LD -229 indicates flow within pipe capacity.
3. Storm MH -B3 height >12.0. Provide safety slab, provide safety slab detail. (Rev. 1) Addressed.
4. C15 —For MH -C3 and MH -136, provide detail/note that specifies subgrade support for MHs in fill sections.
(Rev. 1) Addressed.
5. C4, C5 —Revise labels for drainage easements that lie beyond public RW to read private (across Lots 8 and
9; between Lots 11/12, 13/14, 23/24; and behind Lots 17-23). (Rev. 1) Partially Addressed. As follow-up
to request for more recent policy statement, Engineering has referred question for legal review, and will
update Applicant as soon as possible. We appreciate interest in most current guidance. (Rev. 2) —Please
accept 26 Oct Asst. County Attorney guidance relative to easements. We can discuss further later today.
6. Sidewalks and CG must extend around each cul-de-sac. (Rev. 1) Addressed.
7. Revise cul-de-sac radius, per VDOT/ACF&R preliminary plat comments. (Rev. 1) Not Addressed.
Applicant response is informative, but does not meet VDOT stated request for 45' R if a school bus is
expected to use the cul-de-sac. Applicant response: "We are submitting a request to the Fire Marshal for an
exemption from the radius requirement." Engineering supports VDOT cul-de-sac Min. R request. Fire
Marshal ruling does not alleviate need to meet other agencies' cul-de-sac Min. R requirements. Also, report
cul-de-sac radius as either F/C or EP; avoid mixing the two (ref. R, cul-de-sac, either end Oxbow Drive).
(Rev. 2) Addressed. Applicant response letter, 12 Nov 2015: "Renee DeVall of Albemarle County
Schools has stated that the development does not meet the criteria for an internal school bus stop, so school
buses are not expected to use the cul-de-sac. We are in the process of seeking approval from Albemarle
County Fire & Rescue for a reduced radius for the northern cul-de-sac."
8. 19 -Jun 2015 Letter to Megan Yaniglos, response to comments 6 and 7, references cul-de-sacs as temporary,
and explains that permanent sidewalks around temporary cul-de-sacs will lead to issues in the future. There
is no provision for approving a design as temporary unless it meets standards that otherwise apply to
permanent features. Development plans change. What may appear certain may be delayed indefinitely.
The letter outlines proposal for 35' R temporary cul-de-sacs in response to Fire Rescue request for 96' R.
Engineering Review Comments
Page 2 of 2
We find VDOT request for 45' radius if a school bus is expected to use the cul-de-sac. If this concept is
approved, denying future similar request from other applicants would be untenable. Request for approval of
temporary features that do not meet design standards may proliferate, may extend to other features; SWM,
for example. If development with properties south or north is certain, then low impact designs that extend
Oxbow Drive with grade, transitions, and width that eliminate cul-de-sacs altogether may prove of tangible
benefit, but unless current design meets County, ACF&R, and VDOT standards, it cannot be approved. The
risks are several: temporary becomes permanent; proposed sidewalk design forces owners of one lot to step
nearly to the street to reach the sidewalk; and forces owners of two to step into the street to reach sidewalk.
(Rev. 1) Partially addressed; see also item #7, above. (cul-de-sac Min. R) (Rev. 2) Addressed. County
agrees that current submittal reflects consensus relating to cul-de-sac/sidewalks that was reached between
Engineering, Planning, VDOT, and Applicant, 14 Oct 2015, during a plan review meeting.
9. Extend RW one foot beyond sidewalk. Revise RW to 54'. Revise typical RW cross-section, sheet C9.
(Rev. 1) Not Addressed. Ref. Code 14-428. Restate request to extend RW one foot beyond sidewalk.
(Rev. 2) Comment withdrawn, but not for reason provided in response letter of 12 Nov 2015. Letter
states Planning confirms ordinance does not require sidewalk to be located within the right-of-way.
Engineering has met and discussed the issue with Planning, and as consequence cautions that Code Sec. 14-
422 provides review latitude. Planning intends to support Engineering recommendation that RW width be
sufficient for underground storm drain/other utilities. 14-422 allows an Agent to require that a sidewalk
proposed by a subdivider to be privately -maintained, instead be dedicated to public use.
10. C6, C7 —Relocate SCC text from beneath hatching so readable. (Rev. 1) Addressed.
11. 2: 1 slopes behind Lots 10-15 require vegetative stabilization hardier than grass. Specify ground
cover/stabilization (species). —ref. ACDSM 8.A.2. (Rev. 1) Addressed.
12. Recommend retaining walls behind Lots 10-15. This would extend level space 20-25 ft. (Rev. 1)
Applicant: Recommendation declined.
13. C10, profile Watervale Drive —Vertical curves 2 and 5 do not meet private street minimum K value. Alb.
County defers to VDOT since Watervale is a public street, but VDOT comments are advisory. As such,
examine alternative profiles that increase K -value to more nearly approach private street sag vertical curve
minimum K -value, which is 15.0. —ref. ACDSM 7.F./table. (Rev. 1) Not Addressed. Design elements to
consider: continue 2% cross grade at each end of Watervale Drive; lower Elev. of Watervale crest curve;
elevate intersection, Watervale/Oxbow; shorten 2% grades (landings) at either end of Watervale; and
transition to longer vertical curves more quickly. Design was discussed with County Engineer. (Rev. 2)
Not addressed. Applicant response focuses on intersections, not the proposed profile between. Response:
"VDOT's Regional Land Use Engineer instructed us to design the intersections with a 50' landing at 2%
and a 40' vertical curve leading out of the landing. He believes that the long, flat landing creates a safer
intersection than the 40' landing at 4% required by Albemarle County. We have computed the headlight
angle with his intersection design, and all stopping sight distance requirements are met." Engineering
accepts VDOT guidance relative to intersections, but restates request for sag curve K -values that more
nearly approach 15.0.
Thank you.
SUB201500111_Chesterfield Landing_RP_120315rev2
COMMONWEALTH of VIRGINIA
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION
1601 Orange Road
Culpeper. Virginia 22701
Charles A. Kilpatrick, P.E.
Commissioner
September 29, 2015
Mr. John Anderson
County of AIbemarle
Department of Community Development
401 McIntire Road
Charlottesville, VA 22902
Re: SUB -2015-00111 Chesterfield Landing
Dear Mr. Anderson
We have reviewed the Road Plans for Chesterfield Landing, as submitted by Shimp Engineering, dated
August 21, 2015 and offer the following comments:
Road Plan:
1. Diagonal curb ramps force pedestrians descending the ramp to proceed into the intersection
before turning to the left or right. Therefore, they are not recommended for new construction.
"Curb Ramp Application Details" for new construction can be found in Appendix A of the Road
Design Manual.
2. Sheet C4: It is difficult to see the limits of the heavy asphalt section. Typically the heavy section
would extend up approximately 25' beyond the Pc's/Pt's on Watervale Drive.
3. Sheet C5:
a. The graveled area on Oxbow Drive's northern cul-de-sac should not be used as a
temporary parking lot.
b. The previous submittal did not have curb and gutter in the cul-de-sacs. We would prefer
to have the right-of-way extended to the property line and the outer edges of the
temporary cul-de-sacs to be within a temporary access easefnent.
c. Since a plan to extend Oxbow Drive, to the south, is being submitted concurrently with
this development we recommend the following:
i. The 30' pavement section should extend to the property line and a temporary cul-
de-sac installed (surface treatment added in the outer limits of the cul-de-sac that
are beyond the 30' pavement section).
ii. The curb and gutter and sidewalk should end at the Pc's/Pt's of the temporary
cul-de-sac and extend once the connection is made.
4. Sheet C&
a. The intersection of Watervale Drive and Crozet Ave should be regraded to avoid the use
of reversed curb.
b. Computations for the ditch along Crozet Ave. should be provided to verify it is sufficient
to convey the 10 -year discharge, and to resist erosion from the 2 -year discharge.
c. From a maintenance standpoint we are concerned with structure A4 becoming clogged
and the runoff by passing the inlet and crossing Watervale drive. We would recommend
re -grading the existing shallow ditch along Crozet Ave and placing a culvert under
Watervale drive. This may eliminate storm run A4 -A3 and shorten storm run A2 -A1.
5. Street trees should not be located within the sight distance triangle. However, in this case the
following should be incorporated into the notes on sheet C8= "Along all planting strips, the area
between 2 and 7 feet above ground shall be maintained free of any obstructions that my block the
drivers view".
6. The pavement section for Oxbow Drive and Watervale Drive should reflect the future traffic
loading. This may only require the BM to be increase by 0.5" with the assumed SSViCBR of 5.
Increasing the BM may also help during buildout rather coming back to make repairs due to
failures.
7. The pavement widening standard (WP -2) detail and the VDOT "Futuro Stub Out Street" sign
detail should be added to the plans,
VSMP Plan: No comments
Maintenance of Traffic Plan:
1, The typical layouts should label the roads in the surrounding area to help identify the limits of the
work zone (i.e. Meadows Drive, Crozet Ave. etc.)
2. Sheet 1. Note 7 should be updated to 6:1 wedge.
3. Sheet 3:
a. A "Road Work Ahead" sign should be placed on Meadows Drive.
b. A "Road Work Ahead" sign should be added in advance of the "Shoulder Work" sign
because of the visual limitations due to the vertical and horizontal curves along Crozet
Ave.
4. Sheet 4:
a. A "Road Work Ahead" sign should be placed on Meadows Drive.
b. The "End of Road Work" sign, southbound on Crozet Ave., should be placed 500' +
beyond the start of the channelizing device taper on the northbound lane.
An additional Typical Traffic Control (TTC) plan should be provided to incorporate the mill and
overlay, which would go to the center of Crozet Ave and 25' to either side of the entrance radii,
thus creating a suitable connection.
If you need further information concerning this project, or if you wish to schedule a meeting, please do
not hesitate to contact me at (434) 422-9894.
Sincerely,
Shelly A. Plaster
Land Development Engineer
Culpeper District
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COUNTY OF ALBEMARLE
Department of Community Development
401 McIntire Road, Room 227
Charlottesville, Virginia 22902-4596
Phone (434) 296-5832 Fax (434) 972-4126
Project:
Chesterfield Landing —ROAD PLANS
Plan preparer:
Justin Shimp, Shimp Engineering, 201 E. Main St., Suite M, Charlottesville, VA
22902 [iustin@shimp-en ing eering com]
Owner or rep.:
Frank, Ann Jarman & Walter M Jarman Jr. & George Burton Jarman, 9 Hunters
Trail, Waynesboro, VA 22980-6593
Plan received date:
22 Jun 2015
21 Aug 2015
Date of comments:
21 Jul 2015
14 Sep 2015
Reviewer:
John Anderson
A. Road and drainage plans (SUB201500111)
1. VDOT approval is required. Comments will be forwarded when received. (Rev. 1) Acknowledged.
Applicant response (19 -Aug): "A comment response letter for all VDOT comments is included with this
submittal."
2. LD -347 —Inlets B2, B5, C5 inlet water surface elevation appears higher than crown of pipe. Please check
design to ensure that Q 1 o flow is contained within each section of pipe without pressurized conditions.
(Rev. 1) Addressed; LD -229 indicates flow within pipe capacity.
3. Storm MH -133 height >12.0. Provide safety slab, provide safety slab detail. (Rev. 1) Addressed.
4. C15 —For MH -C3 and MH -136, provide detail/note that specifies subgrade support for MHs in fill sections.
(Rev. 1) Addressed.
5. C4, C5 —Revise labels for drainage easements that lie beyond public RW to read private (across Lots 8 and
9; between Lots 11/12, 13/14, 23/24; and behind Lots 17-23). (Rev. 1) Partially Addressed. As follow-up
to request for more recent policy statement, Engineering has referred question for legal review, and will
update Applicant as soon as possible. We appreciate interest in most current guidance.
6. Sidewalks and CG must extend around each cul-de-sac. (Rev. 1) Addressed.
7. Revise cul-de-sac radius, per VDOT/ACF&R preliminary plat comments. (Rev. 1) Not Addressed.
Applicant response is informative, but does not meet VDOT stated request for 45' R if a school bus is
expected to use the cul-de-sac. Applicant response: "We are submitting a request to the Fire Marshal for an
exemption from the radius requirement." Engineering supports VDOT cul-de-sac Min. R request. Fire
Marshal ruling does not alleviate need to meet other agencies' cul-de-sac Min. R requirements. Also, report
cul-de-sac radius as either F/C or EP; avoid mixing the two (ref. R, cul-de-sac, either end Oxbow Drive).
8. 19 -Jun 2015 Letter to Megan Yaniglos, response to comments 6 and 7, references cul-de-sacs as temporary,
and explains that permanent sidewalks around temporary cul-de-sacs will lead to issues in the future. There
is no provision for approving a design as temporary unless it meets standards that otherwise apply to
permanent features. Development plans change. What may appear certain may be delayed indefinitely.
The letter outlines proposal for 35' R temporary cul-de-sacs in response to Fire Rescue request for 96' R.
We find VDOT request for 45' radius if a school bus is expected to use the cul-de-sac. If this concept is
approved, denying future similar request from other applicants would be untenable. Request for approval of
temporary features that do not meet design standards may proliferate, may extend to other features; SWM,
for example. If development with properties south or north is certain, then low impact designs that extend
Oxbow Drive with grade, transitions, and width that eliminate cul-de-sacs altogether may prove of tangible
benefit, but unless current design meets County, ACF&R, and VDOT standards, it cannot be approved. The
risks are several: temporary becomes permanent; proposed sidewalk design forces owners of one lot to step
Engineering Review Comments
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nearly to the street to reach the sidewalk; and forces owners of two to step into the street to reach sidewalk.
(Rev. 1) Partially addressed; see also item #7, above. (cul-de-sac Min. R)
9. Extend RW one foot beyond sidewalk. Revise RW to 54'. Revise typical RW cross-section, sheet C9.
(Rev. 1) Not Addressed. Ref. Code 14-428. Restate request to extend RW one foot beyond sidewalk.
10. C6, C7 —Relocate SCC text from beneath hatching so readable. (Rev. 1) Addressed.
11. 2: 1 slopes behind Lots 10-15 require vegetative stabilization hardier than grass. Specify ground
cover/stabilization (species). —ref. ACDSM 8.A.2. (Rev. 1) Addressed.
12. Recommend retaining walls behind Lots 10-15. This would extend level space 20-25 ft. (Rev. 1)
Applicant: Recommendation declined.
13. C10, profile Watervale Drive —Vertical curves 2 and 5 do not meet private street minimum K value. Alb.
County defers to VDOT since Watervale is a public street, but VDOT comments are advisory. As such,
examine alternative profiles that increase K -value to more nearly approach private street sag vertical curve
minimum K -value, which is 15.0. —ref. ACDSM 7.F./table. (Rev. 1) Not Addressed. Design elements to
consider: continue 2% cross grade at each end of Watervale Drive; lower Elev. of Watervale crest curve;
elevate intersection, Watervale/Oxbow; shorten 2% grades (landings) at either end of Watervale; and
transition to longer vertical curves more quickly. Design was discussed with County Engineer.
Please call if any questions, or to schedule a meeting.
Thank you.
Sincerely, John Anderson
ACCD — 434.296-5832 -x3069
SUB201500111_Chesterfield Landing_RP_091415revl
COUNTY OF ALBEMARLE
Department of Community Development
401 McIntire Road, Room 227
Charlottesville, Virginia 22902-4596
Phone (434) 296-5832 Fax (434) 972-4126
Project:
Chesterfield Landing —ROAD PLANS
Plan preparer:
Justin Shimp, Shimp Engineering, 201 E. Main St., Suite M, Charlottesville, VA
22902 [iustin@shimp-en ing eering com]
Owner or rep.:
Frank, Ann Jarman & Walter M Jarman Jr. & George Burton Jarman, 9 Hunters
Trail, Waynesboro, VA 22980-6593
Plan received date:
22 Jun 2015
Date of comments:
21 Jul 2015
Reviewer:
John Anderson
A. Road and drainage plans (SUB201500111)
1. VDOT approval is required. Comments will be forwarded when received.
2. LD -347 —Inlets B2, B5, C5 inlet water surface elevation appears higher than crown of pipe. Please check
design to ensure that Qio flow is contained within each section of pipe without pressurized conditions.
3. Storm MH -133 height >12.0. Provide safety slab, provide safety slab detail.
4. C15 —For MH -C3 and MH -136, provide detail/note that specifies subgrade support for MHs in fill sections.
5. C4, C5 —Revise labels for drainage easements that lie beyond public RW to read private (across Lots 8 and
9; between Lots 11/12, 13/14, 23/24; and behind Lots 17-23).
6. Sidewalks and CG must extend around each cul-de-sac.
7. Revise cul-de-sac radius, per VDOT/ACF&R preliminary plat comments.
8. 19 -Jun 2015 Letter to Megan Yaniglos, response to comments 6 and 7, references cul-de-sacs as temporary,
and explains that permanent sidewalks around temporary cul-de-sacs will lead to issues in the future. There
is no provision for approving a design as temporary unless it meets standards that otherwise apply to
permanent features. Development plans change. What may appear certain may be delayed indefinitely.
The letter outlines proposal for 35' R temporary cul-de-sacs in response to Fire Rescue request for 96' R.
We find VDOT request for 45' radius if a school bus is expected to use the cul-de-sac. If this concept is
approved, denying future similar request from other applicants would be untenable. Request for approval of
temporary features that do not meet design standards may proliferate, may extend to other features; SWM,
for example. If development with properties south or north is certain, then low impact designs that extend
Oxbow Drive with grade, transitions, and width that eliminate cul-de-sacs altogether may prove of tangible
benefit, but unless current design meets County, ACF&R, and VDOT standards, it cannot be approved. The
risks are several: temporary becomes permanent; proposed sidewalk design forces owners of one lot to step
nearly to the street to reach the sidewalk; and forces owners of two to step into the street to reach sidewalk.
9. Extend RW one foot beyond sidewalk. Revise RW to 54'. Revise typical RW cross-section, sheet C9.
10. C6, C7 —Relocate SCC text from beneath hatching so readable.
11. 2: 1 slopes behind Lots 10-15 require vegetative stabilization hardier than grass. Specify ground
cover/stabilization (species). —ref. ACDSM 8.A.2.
12. Recommend retaining walls behind Lots 10-15. This would extend level space 20-25 ft.
13. C10, profile Watervale Drive —Vertical curves 2 and 5 do not meet private street minimum K value. Alb.
County defers to VDOT since Watervale is a public street, but VDOT comments are advisory. As such,
examine alternative profiles that increase K -value to more nearly approach private street sag vertical curve
minimum K -value, which is 15.0. —ref. ACDSM 7.F./table.
Please call if any questions, or to schedule a meeting.
Thank you.
Engineering Review Comments
Page 2 of 2
Sincerely, John Anderson
ACCD — 434.296-5832 -0069
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