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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1995-11-08000 1.?$ November 8, 1995 (Regular Night Meeting) (Page 1) A regular meeting of the Board of Supervisors of Albemarle County, Virginia, was held on November 8, 1995, at 7:00 P.M., Room 241, county Office Building, McIntire Road, Charlottesville, Virginia. PRESENT: Mr. David P. Bowerman, Mrs. Charlotte Y. Humphris, Mr. Forrest R. Marshall, Jr., Mr. Charles S. Martin and Mrs. Sally H. Thomas. ABSENT: Mr. Walter F. Perkins. OFFICERS PRESENT: County Executive, Robert W. Tucker, Jr., County Attorney, Larry W. Davis, and County Planner, V. Wayne Cilimberg. Agenda Item No. 1. The meeting was called to order at 7:00 P.M., by the Vice-Chairman, Mrs. Humphris. Agenda Item No. 2. Pledge of Allegiance. Agenda Item No. 3. Moment of Silence. Agenda Item No. 4. Other Matters Not Listed on the Agenda from the Public. Mrs. Humphris recognized Boy Scout Troop 102 whose members were present to observe the meeting. Dr. Charles Johnson, Assistant Scout Master, said this is part of work on a merit badge for citizenship for all members of the troop. Mr. Rolin Stanton was present to say he feels the Board's decision to spend an extra $135,000 to study a sustainable design for the new high school was both foolish and irresponsible. He had provided the Board members with a detailed financial analysis which should have indicated that there was no justification at that time to spend anything, much less $135,000. Mr. Stanton said he looked at the proposal that was provided to the Board, and there were several areas dealing with the site plan which focused on irrigation. He said that after it rains, there are puddles of water all over the site, so irriga- tion is not the problem, it is drainage. Second, the consultants are going to look at the trees on the site, which are cedar and old pine trees. Mr. Stanton said he found only about five oak trees on the site which are usable. The easiest, and probably best, thing to do on that site is bulldoze it over. Mr. Stanton said he is not asking the Board not to spend the $135,000, but rather for the Board to ask a few questions to find out whether spending that amount is worthwhile. Not Docketed: Mrs. Humphris announced that Agenda Items 10 and 11 for Wendell Wood will not be acted on tonight, should there be anyone present for either item. There was no one present. Agenda Item No. 5. Consent Agenda. Motion was offered by Mrs. Thomas, seconded by Mr. Martin, to approve Items 5.1 and 5.la, and to accept the remaining items on the consent agenda as information. Roll was called, and the motion carried by the following recorded vote: AYES: Mrs. Thomas, Mr. Bowerman, Mrs. Humphris, Mr. Marshall and Mr. Martin. NAYS: None. ABSENT: Mr. Perkins. Item 5.1. Resolution requesting acceptance of certain roads in Briar- wood Subdivision and a new section of Route 606 into the State Secondary System of Roads, and also requesting abandonment of a section of Old Route 606. At the request of the County's Engineering Department, %he following resolu%ion was adop%ed by %he recorded vo%e se% ou% above: RESOLUTION WHEREAS, the streets in Briarwood Subdivision described on the attached Additions Form SR-5(A) dated November 8, 1995, fully incorporated herein by reference, are shown on plats recorded in the Clerk's Office of the Circuit Court of Albemarle County, Virginia; and WHEREAS, the Resident Engineer for the Virginia Department of Transportation has advised the Board that the streets meet the requirements established by the Subdivision Street Requirements of the Virginia Department of Transportation. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Albemarle Board of County Supervisors requests the Virginia Department of Transpor- tation to add the roads in Briarwood Subdivision as described on the attached Additions Form SR-5(A) dated November 8, 1995, to the secondary system of state highways, pursuant to §33.1-229, Code of Virginia, and the Department's Subdivision Street Requirements; and 0001'76 November 8, 1995 (Regular Night Meeting) (Page 2) BE IT FURTHER RESOL~ ~~'~he Board guarantees a clear and unrestricted right-of-way, as described, and any necessary ease- ments for cuts, fills and drainage as described on the recorded plats; and WHEREAS, the new road serves the same citizens as served by those portions of old road identified in the project sketch to be abandoned, which portions no longer serve a public need; BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that this Board hereby abandons the portion of State Route 606 bounded within the marked right-of-way limits labeled as "EXIST SR RT 606" from the Secondary System of State Highways pursuant to §33.1-155 of the Code of Virginia; and FURTHER RESOLVED that a certified copy of this resolution be forwarded to the Resident Engineer for the Virginia Department of Transportation. The roads described on Additions Form SR-5(A) are: 1) 2) 3) Austin Drive from Station 11+26.80, 1066 lineal feet to Station 21+93 as shown on plat recorded 9/6/83 in Deed Book 775, pages 587-590 in the office of the Clerk of the Circuit Court of Albemarle County showing a 50 foot right-of-way, with drainage easement record- ed 9/26/95 in Deed Book 1494, page 136, for a total length of 0.20 mile. Wren Court from Station 0+19, left edge of pavement of Austin Drive, 727 lineal feet to Station 7+45.96, left edge of pavement of Austin Drive as shown on a plat recorded 9/6/83 in Deed Book 775, pages 587-550 in the office of the Clerk of the Circuit Court of Albemarle County showing a 40 foot right-of-way with additional right-of-way recorded 12/27/90 in Deed Book 1134, pages 16-18, for a total length of 0.14 mile. Relocated portion of State Route 606 from Station 3+15.79, 976 lineal feet to Station 12+92.12 with a right-of-way varying from 60 feet to 70 feet as shown on plat recorded 9/6/83 in Deed Book 775, pages 587- 590, in the office of the Clerk of the Circuit Court of Albemarle County with drainage easement recorded 9/26/95 in Deed Book 1494, page 136, for a total length of 0.18 mile. Total length - 0.52 mile. Item 5.la. Resolution requesting acceptance of roads in Hickory Ridge Subdivision into the State Secondary System of Roads. At the request of the County's Engineering Department, the following resolution was adopted by the recorded vo%e se% out above: RESOLUTION WHEREAS, the street in Hickory Ridge Subdivision (SUB-12.19) described on the attached Additions Form SR-5(A) dated April 20, 1994, fully incorporated herein by reference, is shown on plats recorded in the Clerk's Office of the Circuit Court of Albemarle County, Virginia; and WHEREAS, the Resident Engineer for the Virginia Department of Transportation has advised the Board that the street meets the requirements established by the Subdivision Street Requirements of the Virginia Department of Transportation. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Albemarle Board of County Supervisors requests the Virginia Department of Transpor- tation to add the road in Hickory Ridge Subdivision as described on the attached Additions Form SR-5(A) dated April 20, 1994 to the secondar~ system of state highways, pursuant to §33.1-229, Code of Virginia, and the Department's Subdivision Street Requirements; and BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Board guarantees a clear and unrestricted right-of-way, as described, and any necessary easements for cuts, fills and drainage as described on the record- ed plats; and FURTHER RESOLVED that a certified copy of this resolution be forwarded to the Resident Engineer for the Virginia Department of Transportation. The road described on Additions Form SR-5(A) is: November 8, 1995 (Regular Night Meeting) (Page 3) 1) Mockernu% Lane, showing a 50 foot right-of-way, from the edge of pavement of State Route 665, 0.41 mi to the end of the cul-de-sac as shown on plat recorded on 11/30/88 in Deed Book 1025 on pages 60 to 70 in the office of the Clerk to the Circuit Court of Albemarle County. Revised drainage easement plats in deed book 1382, pages 370 to 372, and deed book 1392, pages 207 to 209. Item 5.2. Copy of letter dated October 26, 1995, from A. G. Tucker to Walter D. Pilkey re: Route 20 North Pedestrian Traffic near the Pantops Shopping area, received for information. Item 5.3. Copy of minutes of the Planning Commission for October 10 and October 24, 1995, received for information. Item 5.4. Copy of letter dated October 31, 1995, from H. Odell Minnix, Chairman, Roanoke County Board of Supervisors re: report on the Urban Partnership, received for information. Mrs. Humphris announced that this matter will be discussed at VACO's General Government Committee meeting on next Sunday afternoon at the annual conference. Item 5.5. Copy of the Comprehensive Annual Financial Report, for the Year Ended June 30, 1995, from the Albemarle County Service Authority, received for information. Agenda Item No. 6. SP-95-29. Christopher M. Yates. For a Home Occupation-Class B for a cabinet shop on approx 2.6 ac zoned RA & EC. Located on N side of Rt 250 approx 600 ft E of Rt 744. TM80,P59B. Rivanna Dist. (Advertised in the Daily Progress on October 23 and October 30, 1995.) Mr. Cilimberg summarized the staff's report which is on file in the Clerk's Office and made a part of the permanent records of the Board of Supervisors. He noted that the Planning Commission on October 10, 1995, unanimously recommended approval of SP-95-29 subject to five conditions. The public hearing was opened. The applicant was present but did not choose to speak. The public hearing was closed, and the matter placed before the Board. Motion was offered by Mr. Martin, seconded by Mr. Marshall, to approve SP-95-29, subject to the following conditions: 2. 3. 4. Se Use shall be limited to existing garage structure; No employees other than family members residing on the premises; No signage shall be permitted; No outdoor activities involving power equipment nor storage of materials shall be permitted; and Hours of operation shall be 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., seven days a week. Roll was called, and the motion carried by the following recorded vote: AYES: Mrs. Thomas, Mr. Bowerman, Mrs. Humphris, Mr. Marshall and Mr. Martin. NAYS: None. ABSENT: Mr. Perkins. Agenda Item No. 7. SP-95-30. Crozet Church of God. To establish day care center on approx 5 ac zoned RA & EC. Located in SE corner of inters of Rt 250/I-64. TM55,P96A. Samuel Miller Dist. (Advertised in the Daily Progress on October 23 and October 30, 1995o) Mr. Cilimberg summarized the staff's report which is on file in the Clerk's Office and made a part of the permanent records of the Board of Supervisors. He said there had been two prior approvals given to the church, one in 1986 and one in 1989. There are now about 25 children at the existing day care in Crozet. The Virginia Department of Transportation recommended that adequate sight distance be created at the entrance, and that was done along with construction of the church. Mr. Cilimberg said a major question that arose for the Planning Commis- sion was adequacy of the septic system and well and testing of well water. The septic system has not been sized to accommodate the day care facility. There may be an upgrade necessary to accommodate the requested number of "up to 60 children". Staff feels 60 children may be excessive, and the Planning Commission discussed whether the on-site facilities could handle a 60-child day care center. This request was before the Planning Commission in early October, but was deferred to answer questions brought up at that meeting. One question had to do with septic capacity and limitations. It was determined that the facilities being installed as part of the church construction can accommodate 20 children. The water demands for a 20-child day care are about the same as those for a four-bedroom dwelling. November 8, 1995 (Regular Night Meeting) (Page 4) 000 78 Mr. Cilimberg said this is an exempt facility in terms of State Depart- ment of Welfare licensing requirements. HoWever, it must meet a number of regulations irregardless of its exempt status, so it is still subject to most of the same reviews and regulations. There was agreement by the applicant to well testing for.~e~f~, and there was a condition added by the Planning Commission to cover that. Maintenance at the entrance to the site can be taken care of by clearing of vegetation. There was a question as to what the church's break even point for number of children is, and staff did not have an answer for that question. The final result of the Commission's review was making a recommendation for approval subject to six Conditions. He suggeSted changing condition No. 6 to read: "Annual ~~ testing of water supply with results to be provided to the Virginia Department of Health." Mr. Marshall suggested that the testing be submitted and approved by the Health Department. Mr. Cilimberg said that would work, and there could be a seventh condition added concerning the clearing and grading of sight distance. The public hearing was opened at this time. Pastor Les Rowsey was present on behalf of the church. He said the vegetation has been taken care of. He addressed Condition #4. He said when he was asked what their break even point would be on the day care, he guessed at the number of 20 Children, but that was at the current location. Since they do not yet know how much it will cost to heat and cool the new building, they do not know what their break even point will be. Since the day care has already been approved twice before, he suggested the actual number on the enrollment be left to the Health Department based on adequacy of the septic system. He has furnished the Health Department a copy of their water usage bills for the last year and they are reviewing those bills. The system they planned was for 550 gallons per day, and that should be adequate for 20 children, plus the church, not to exceed 250 people in the church. Mr. Marshall suggested deleting the words "not to exceed 20 children" from Condition No. 4. Mr. Rowsey said that is his request. Their original request was for 60. At the present time, they can only have 29 children based on the amount of space in the facility. They do not serve meals. The children are two and one-half to twelve years of age, so there is no nursery school in the building. He asked that the latter part of Condition No. 4 be deleted, with the actual number being determined by the adequacy of the septic system. Mrs. Thomas said the Planning Commission's minutes show that Mr. Rowsey asked for 20 children, and said that if they went over 20 children they would have to redesign the whole drainfield system. She asked if that has changed. Mr. Rowsey said they have asked the Health Department to look at water usage because they had based the number on 25 gallons per child. He said they do not use that amount of water at the present day care even with the parsonage being on the same system. He said they will be glad to do whatever the Health Department requires in order to get more children in the facility. Since the church did not request approval for a church plus day care at the new loca- tion, the Health Department has said that 20 is the largest number of children they can have without redesigning the septic system. That system is not yet installed. They will be putting in a Class 2-B well which is suited for this type of situation. With no one else from the public rising to speak, the public hearing was closed. Mrs. Thomas said the Planning Commission's approval was based on this day care being for 20 children. She thinks the record is very clear on that point, and does not believe they would have approved it for a larger number. There was discussion as to whether scale of the facility is of importance. Mr. Cilimberg said one Commissioner expressed concern over a number as high as 60, which had been approved on two prior occasions. This number is not in keeping with the rural areas district. He does not think the Planning Commissioners indicated what other number might be acceptable. Mrs. Humphris said the statement was made that the facility would be for 20 children, so there would have been no reason for them to discuss a higher number. She said the Board is being deprived of the thinking of the Commis- sion as to a larger number. To change Condition No. 4 as Mr. Rowsey has requested would make it open-ended. The septic system is not the only thing in question. There is the intrusion in the rural area, the traffic, etc. which were not discussed by the Commission because of the proposal for 20 children. Mrs. Thomas said at least four members of the Planning Commission commented on the number. She thinks Mr. Viscotti is not present tonight because he was satisfied at what the Planning Commission approved. Mr. Cilimberg said Mr. Viscotti attended the second meeting of the Commission on this petition, but he did not speak. Mr. Martin said he knew there was public opposition, and he felt they were not present tonight because they were satisfied with the number of 20. Mr. Bowerman said it may be that the septic system can handle 35, but he would like to hear comments from the staff and the Commission on that number. November 8, 1995 (Regular Night Meeting) (Page 5) Mrs. Humphris said in the Planning Commission's minutes of October 10 such items as the scale being out of character with the rural areas, addition- al traffic, increased noise, decreased property values, and other things were discussed. These were no longer of concern when the proposal was changed to 20. She would not be comfortable changing the Planning Commission's number. Mr. Marshall suggested sending this petition back to the Planning Commission. Mrs. Thomas said she is inclined to approve the petition tonight with the number 20. Mr. Tucker said the Board can approve the petition tonight with the number 20, and the applicant can apply to amend the permit at a later time, or it can be sent back to the Commission. Mrs. Humphris asked Mr. Rowsey whether he wanted the Board to act tonight. Mr. Rowsey said he thought 20 was the number because that was all the Health Department said they could have at that time. When he took that number back to the church members they were unhappy with it and said if that is the only number they will be allowed, they might just as well forget about the facility. The people now being served by the day care would have to go elsewhere. Referring the petition back to the Commission will not complicate anything because the church is not ready to move yet. At this time, motion was offered by Mrs. Thomas, seconded by Mr. Marshall, to refer SP-95-30 back to the Planning Commission to respond to a larger number of children than requested, and that the public be notified of this request. Roll was called, and the motion carried by the following recorded vote: AYES: Mrs. Thomas, Mr. Bowerman, Mrs. Humphris, Mr. Marshall and Mr. Martin. NAYS: None. ABSENT: Mr. Perkins. Mr. Cilimberg said he would like to clarify that the Board is particu- larly concerned about the suitability of a larger center on the rural areas, its traffic impact, noise and septic system potential. The question is not what number the septic system can be made to fit, but rather what would be an acceptable number not to exceed. That was the consensus. Agenda Item No. 8. ZMA-95-15. Peter Easter. To rezone 1 ac created by relocation of Rt 631 from R-2 to C-1. Located NW corner of inters of Rt 631 & Rt 780. Adjacent on 3 sds to TM76,P46H, and is remnant of TM76, P's46A (part) & 54Q. Area is recommended for Neighborhood Service in Neighborhood 5. Scottsville Dist. (Advertised in the Daily Progress on October 23 and October 30, 1995.) Mro Cilimberg summarized the staff's report which is on file in the Clerk's Office and made a part of the permanent records of the Board of Supervisors. He noted that the Planning Commission on October 24, 1995, unanimously recommended approval of ZMA-95-15. The public hearing was opened. Mr. Easter said he would like to clarify the situation on the second entrance. Before making an offer on the property, he had the Virginia Department of Transportation measure sight distance, and he was told there would be no problem. Later, when it was reviewed for this application, VDOT came back with an entirely different recommendation. He said the land is considerably different in topography. The existing entrance to the building is on one level and the land on the right side of the site is much lower in elevation. He will have employee parking on the lower level, so he needs a second entrance to the property. With no one else from the public rising to speak, the public hearing was closed, and the matter placed before the Board. Motion was immediately offered by Mr. Marshall, seconded by Mrs. Thomas, to approve ZMA-95-15 as recommended by the Planning Commission. Roll was called, and the motion carried by the following recorded vote: AYES: NAYS: ABSENT: Mrs. Thomas, Mr. Bowerman, Mrs. Humphris, Mr. Marshall and Mr. Martin. None. Mr. Perkins. As Mr. Easter exited the room, he remarked that when he was a member of the Planning Commission some twenty years ago, Mr. Tucker was an Assistant Planner. He is happy to see that Mr. Tucker has done such a good job that he is now County Executive. He did note that this had put an awful lot of gray hair on Mr. Tucker~s head. Agenda Item No. 9. ZMA-95-16. Commonwealth Central Real Estate Investments. To amend Agreement 3 of ZMA-92-08 to allow pole mounted light- ing. Located in SW corner of inters of Rio Rd & Berkmar Dr. Site recommended for Community Service in Neighborhood 1o TM61M, Sec 12, P'slB,1Bi,iB2,1B3, 1B4,1B5,1B6&iE1. Rio Dist. (Advertised in the Daily Progress on October 23 and October 30, 1995.) November 8, 1995 (Regular Night Meeting) 0001'~ (Page 6) Mr. Bowerman said his business is located on the parcel involved in this application, and he also has an ownership interest in the parcel, so he will excuse himself because of the conflict of interest. He left the room at 7:41 p.m. Mr. Cilimberg summarized the staff's report which is on file in the Clerk's Office and made a part of the permanent records of the Board of Supervisors. Me noted that the Planning Commission on October 10, 1995, unanimously recommended approval of ZMA-95-16 subject to an amended proffer reading: All exterior lighting shall be mounted to the exterior of the buildings or shall be located as shown on plans titled "Berkmar Crossinq Illumination Concept and Sales". Liqht levels shall not exceed those shown on the plan. Maximum heiqht for free-standinq liqhtinq shall not exceed twenty (20) feet. The public hearing was opened. Present to represent the applicant was Mr. Jeff Dreyfus from Bushman Dreyfus Architects. He said one of the driving forces behind this request is safety. They were brought into the project after the original proffers were made, so he does not know why the face- mounted lighting was requested. Lighting is a concern in the far reaches of the parking lots with the existing lighting, but there is also a concern about putting glare on the adjacent properties. They looked at pole-mounted lights including the foot candle spread on the edges of the property. Their proposal does not reach the maximum of .5 allowed by the County's ordinance. Another point relative to adjacent properties is that the land bordering this property is much higher then this site, so there will be no direct glare from any of the lights. Mrs. Humphris asked what communication there had been with adjacent owners about this proposal. Mr. Dreyfus said there was posting of signs. Mr. Cilimberg said the normal adjacent owner letters were sent. Mrs. Humphris said there was so much concern by adjacent owners originally that she was surprised that no comments have been received this time. With no further comments from the public, the public hearing was closed. Mrs. Thomas said she went on a tour with a committee of the Night Skies in Charlottesville looking at lights, and this is a preferable form of lighting to be used in projects, although it is possible to sabotage it. The University of Virginia managed to do that in the Fontaine Avenue Research Park by going with a bidder who had this light fixture, but the light bulb itself extends below the casing. Mrs. Thomas said she was about the propose words that say the lights have to be shielded, recessed to eliminate glare, and directed downward. She asked if the Board can be assured this is all taken care of in the concept the Board members did not get a copy of. Mr. Cilimberg said the Board members have a copy of the concept, but in a letter from Ms. Marcia Joseph to Mr. Bill Fritz it is further clarified. That letter is a part of the Commission's records. Mrs. Humphris said it is refreshing to hear talk about dark skies. On one of her trips into the community to look at the dark sky and the problems created by the lighting in the community, she had occasion to talk to Dr. DiCroce about the lighting at Piedmont Community College, and Dr. DiCroce has responded that she is talking with her buildings and grounds people to see what can be done. Motion was immediately offered by Mr. Marshall, seconded by Mr. Martin, to approve ZMA-95-16 as recommended by the Planning Commission subject to the following amendment: All exterior lighting shall be mounted to the exterior of the buildings or shall be located as shown on plans titled "Berkmar Crossing Illumina- tion Concept and Sales". Light levels shall not exceed those shown on the plan. Maximum height for free-standing lighting shall not exceed twenty (20) feet. Roll was called, and the motion carried by the following recorded vote: AYES: Mrs. Thomas, Mrs. Humphris, Mr. Marshall and Mr. Martin. NAYS: None. ABSENT: Mr. Perkins. ABSTAINING; Mr. Bowerman. (No%e: Mr. Bowerman returned to the room at 7:54 p.m.) Agenda Item No. 10. ZMA-95-17. Wendell Wood. To amend proffers of ZMA-93-06 to allow establishment of outdoor storage and display of autos on 11.3 ac zoned HC & EC. Located on W sd of Rt 29 Near Timberwood Blvd; is location of Maupin Store. Site recommended for Regional Service in the Community of Hollymead. TM32,P's 43&43A. Rivanna Dist. (Advertised in the Daily Progress on October 23 and October 30, 1995.) Mrs. Humphris asked Mr. Cilimberg to explain what has happened with these petitions. Mro Cilimberg said this petition and SP-95-31 were both before the Planning Commission last night. The Commission took action to deny November 8, 1995 (Regular Night Meeting) O001Sl (Page 7) ZMA-95-17, but took no action at all on SP-95-31. The County Attorney believes they need to take action of some sort, and has suggested that SP-95-31 be referred back to the Commission for next Tuesday's meeting. ZMA- 95-17 can be deferred so that the two petitions will stay together, and that will allow for completion of the minutes of the November 7, 1995, Planning Commission meeting. Mo%ion was offered by Mr. Bowerman, seconded by Mr. Martin, to defer ZMA-95-17 to November 15, 1995. Roll was called, and the motion carried by the following recorded vote: AYES: Mrs. Thomas, Mr. Bowerman, Mrs. Humphris, Mr. Marshall and Mr. Martin. NAYS: None. ABSENT: Mr. Perkins. Agenda Item No. 11. SP-95-31. Wendell Wood. To establish outdoor storage & display of autos on property described in ZMA-95-17 above. (Adver- tised in the Daily Progress on October 23 and October 30, 1995.) Motion was offered by Mr. Bowerman, seconded by Mr. Martin, to refer SP-95-31 back to the Planning Commission so that they may take some action on the request, to be returned to the Board for its meeting on November 15, 1995. Roll was called, and the motion carried by the following recorded vote: AYES: Mrs. Thomas, Mr. Bowerman, Mrs. Humphris, Mr. Marshall and Mr. Martin. NAYS: None. ABSENT: Mr. Perkins. Agenda Item No. 12. Approval of Minutes: June 7, 1995. Motion was offered by Mr. Martin, seconded by Mr. Bowerman, to approve the minutes of June 7, 1995, page 36 (#18) to the end. Roll was called, and the motion carried by the following recorded vote: AYES: NAYS: ABSENT: Mrs. Thomas, Mr. Bowerman, Mrs. Humphris, Mr. Marshall and Mr. Martin. None. Mr. Perkins. Agenda Item No. 13. Other Matters Not Listed on the Agenda from the BOARD. Mrs. Thomas mentioned a letter from the Southern Environmental Law Center and wondered why sections of the South Fork Rivanna River are not meeting the requirements of the Clean Water Act. The Department of Environ- mental Quality is not required to notify the County of this. She feels the Board should request that information, take action, and maybe add it to the Board's legislative agenda. Mrs. Thomas said she believes someone should comment on the petition for reversion. Information was distributed in the City that says signing the petition does not mean the signer wants the City to become a town. But, signing the petition can set the whole activity in motion without any known way to stop it. This seems to be highly misleading information that was used to encourage City citizens to sign a petition. She said she hopes the word gets out in the City that this is misleading. Mr. Bowerman said he thinks the word is out. These people were at the one place yesterday where they have all of the voters coming in, and they were able to get only 250 additional signatures. That is another ten percent of what they need, which takes them to about 50 percent. He would think that if they are to be successful in a petition drive, yesterday was the opportunity to do that. Mrs. Humphris said she believes the public should be warned about this group which has changed its name to "Charlottesville Town Reversion Study Group". They are telling the public that signing the petition does not mean they are voting for Charlottesville to become a town, but it will only make it mandatory that study of town reversion move forward. That is not an accurate statement. Signing the petition means that you want the petition to be filed with the court, and reversion to take place. The study that is referenced would probably cost the taxpayers a million dollars for the City and a million dollars for the County because the whole study has to be completed before the City decides whether it will accept the opportunity to become a town. Mr. Martin said he will accept the word "misleading". He has looked at it several times, and it is not a lie. Mrs. Thomas mentioned two visitors from Russia who spend most of the day with County staff and saw everything from the Jail to the Lickinghole Creek retention basin to social services. The visitors are a woman from Moscow and a woman from the Ukrain, and they had an interesting time. She thanked County staff for putting together an interesting day for them. They learned a great deal, and County staff, in turn~ learned a great deal also. 8, 1995 (Regular Night Meeting) iPage 8) Mrs. Humphris said we learned how lucky we are to live in the United States. These ladies mentioned being taken from their homeland and sent to work camps in another part of the country, and how, when they were returned to their homeland they were not allowed to hold jobs. One lady was not allowed to teach school anymore because her husband was regarded as a dissident. When we consider the types of freedom we have in this country, it is amazing to find out how people in other parts of the world have to live. Mrs. Humphris said she was proud of the women County leaders today. They had a discussion with these women, in particular, the County's police lieutenant. They can't think about having anything like that. The women in police work in Moscow do office work° They were also quite astonished at the County's Director of Engineering. Mrs° Thomas said the strange part of this is that most all of the engineers in Russia are women, as are almost all of the doctors and teachers. Engineers make a great deal less than truck drivers. What Americans regard as honorable professions are regarded there as the most menial of jobs which require extra eduction, but that education does not count for anything. Mrs. Humphris mentioned that the Board members had received a copy of a letter written by Mr. Perkins to Secretary Martinez about interchanges on the western bypass at Barracks and Hydraulic Roads. She recently received from a constituent a copy of a letter he sent to Secretary Martinez on October 6, and a copy of Martinez' reply written on October 24. The reply simply says what VDOT always tells the Board that the project is in the early stages of development, and that VDOT will develop information and present it at citizens information meetings to be scheduled later, etc. The Governor did send a letter to Secretary Martinez telling him that these interchanges are not to be considered. In light of the Governor's comment last week, the timing of this is interesting. The Board is still waiting for a reply to its letter of September 7. Mrs. Humphris said all Board members were sent a copy of VACO's response to the Urban Partnership proposal, but there is no conclusion to their proposal at all. Mr. Bowerman asked Mrs. Humphris if she knows what her instructions are as this Board's voting delegate. Mr. Tucker said one problem is that the Urban Partnership will be meeting tomorrow, and the proposal may change° The General Government Committee which meets on Sunday will be discussing the proposal at that time. It is important for as many Board members as possible to attend. Mrs° Humphris said she will go in time to be there for that meeting. She said if there is any interest at all, the room where they are to hold the meeting will not be large enough to hold any sizable number of people. Mrs. Humphris also mentioned a regional legislative dinner meeting that is supposed to take place in Charlottesville on Wednesday, December 6. The article in the VACO newsletter mentions that every member of the General Assembly is being invited, and they request that county and town officials participate in the meetings. Mr. Tucker said he does not believe they have held this type of meeting before, and it is ironic that it is on the same day that the Board is to meet with its legislators. Mr° Marshall mentioned the new road which will be built between Avon Street and Route 20 South. He has received calls from two adjacent property owners who are asking about the width of the road, and what land it will take. The homeowners group in the development who own the property on the right as you enter this property would like to be able to use this road because they feel it will be a safer intersection. Mr. Marshall said he wants to be sure it is a safer road. He thinks traffic counts should be taken on both Avon Street and Route 20, and he feels that it is imperative that Route'20 be four- laned from where it intersects Route 53 to where this new road intersects. Mr. Tucker said he had gotten a copy of the letter sent in by the Tandem School Board, and he has asked Ms. Jo Higgins to respond. Once an initial alignment is decided upon, it may be wise to have some type of public forum to take public comments. Mr. Marshall said he would like to ask all of his campaign workers to please pick up his signs and bring them to him so he can dispose of them. .ember 8, 1995 (Regular Night Meeting) (Page 9) Agenda Item No. 14. Adjourn to November 15, 1995, at 5:15 p.m., Room 235, 'County office Building. At 8:15 p.m., with no further business to come before the Board, motion was offered by Mr. Bowerman, seconded by Mrs. Thomas, to adjourn this meeting until November 15, 1995, at 5:15 p.m. in Room 235 in the County office Building. Roll was called, and the motion carried by the following recorded vote: IS: Mrs. Thomas, Mr.. Bowerman, Mrs. Humphris, Mr. Marshall and Mr. Martin. NAYS: None. ABSENT: Mr. Perkins.