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Home My WebLink AboutARB201800100 Correspondence 2018-07-25Margaret Maliszewski From: Bruce Wardell <bwardell@brw-architects.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 11:24 AM To: Margaret Maliszewski Subject: RE: Input needed on a sign design Got it. That looks fine in context. THX Bruce Wardell, AIA Principal brwarchitects, p.c. 112 4th street n.e. a v NV r e c i s charlottesville va 22902 434.971.7160 brw-a rch itects. co m From: Margaret Maliszewski [mailto:MMaliszewski@albemarle.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 11:23 AM To: Bruce Wardell <bwardell@brw-architects.com> Subject: RE: Input needed on a sign design The "sign in context" image (the most current revision) is the 3rd sheet of the attachment. The photo that was embedded in the email was the original proposal. From: Bruce Wardell <bwardell@brw-architects.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 11:16 AM To: Margaret Maliszewski <MMal iszewski@albemarle.org> Subject: RE: Input needed on a sign design Margaret Is there a photo of this sign in the context of the other signs on the building? The composition seems fine to me, the only concern I have is if it is out of scale with the rest of the building signage. If that is not a problem then this sign seems fine. Thanks Bruce Bruce Wardell, AIA Principal brwarchitects, p.c. 112 4th street n.e. charlottesville va 22902 434.971.7160 brw-a rch itects.com From: Margaret Maliszewski [mailto:MMaliszewski@albemarle.org] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 11:04 AM To: Bruce Wardell <bwardell@brw-architects.com> Subject: RE: Input needed on a sign design Bruce, I'm sorry to have interrupted your vacation time. I hope it was a good vacation. I could still use your input on this sign question. The applicant is anxious for an answer. Thanks for your help. Margaret From: Bruce Wardell <bwardell@brw-architects.com> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:30 PM To: Margaret Maliszewski <MMaliszewski@albemarle.or Cc: Brent Nelson <bnelson@albemarle.org> Subject: Re: Input needed on a sign design Margaret. I'm on vacation this week and only working through my phone. Can I get Back to you on Monday? Get Outlook for 10S On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 5:24 PM -0400, "Margaret Maliszewski" <MMaliszewski@albemarle.org> wrote: Hello, Bruce. I could use your input on a sign that is proposed for 2291 Seminole Lane in the Seminole Plaza shopping center (across from Brown Auto and the Doubletree). The current sign proposal is attached to this message. The Comp Sign Plan for this building limits letter height to 24". The "L" is proposed at 51" tall. This is a reduction from the original proposal, which was 62". The reduction was made after I told the applicant I would consider an "L" that was taller than 24". 1 offered this because the graphic for the Evolution Hearing sign is 51" tall and the "L" originally had a spot of red infill (see below) which, together with the "fancy" script, gave it more of a graphic quality. That has been lost in the current version (attached). The wall area in this location steps to over 8' and 10' in height, so the sign doesn't appear to overcrowd the wall, but it is still large. (The CSP also states that letter height minimum is 14". The "Mexican Restaurant & Bar" letters are 10" — a lesser problem, I think.) Note also that this sign would sit a bit higher on the wall than the other existing signs. Can you provide any direction on the letter size? Would you want to make an exception of this scale? Should we maintain the 24" height limit? Other suggestions? Thanks so much for your help. Margaret Margaret Maliszewski, Chief of Planning/Resource Management Albemarle County Department of Community Development 401 McIntire Road Charlottesville, VA 22902 434-296-5832 x3276 mmaliszewski@albemarle.org Hello, Bruce. I could use your input on a sign that is proposed for 2291 Seminole Lane in the Seminole Plaza shopping center (across from Brown Auto and the Doubletree). The current sign proposal is attached to this message. The Comp Sign Plan for this building limits letter height to 24". The "L" is proposed at 51" tall. This is a reduction from the original proposal, which was 62". The reduction was made after I told the applicant I would consider an "L" that was taller than 24". 1 offered this because the graphic for the Evolution Hearing sign is 51" tall and the "L" originally had a spot of red infill (see below) which, together with the "fancy" script, gave it more of a graphic quality. That has been lost in the current version (attached). The wall area in this location steps to over 8' and 10' in height, so the sign doesn't appear to overcrowd the wall, but it is still large. (The CSP also states that letter height minimum is 14". The "Mexican Restaurant & Bar" letters are 10" — a lesser problem, I think.) Note also that this sign would sit a bit higher on the wall than the other existing signs. Can you provide any direction on the letter size? Would you want to make an exception of this scale? Should we maintain the 24" height limit? Other suggestions? Thanks so much for your help. Margaret Margaret Maliszewski, Chief of Planning/Resource Management Albemarle County Department of Community Development 401 McIntire Road Charlottesville, VA 22902 434-296-5832 x3276 mmaliszewski@albemarle.org Margaret Maliszewski From: Beth Robinson <beth@htsva.com> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 5:32 PM To: Margaret Maliszewski Cc: Brent Nelson Subject: RE: La Michoacana sign Thank you Margaret — My client is open and is extremely eager to have a sign. Could you also ask if the revised sign might be approved if it were reverted back to the original color combination, with the red infill? Thanks, Beth Robinson I Sales Manager I Hightech Signs HIGHTECN SIGNS [PH]: 434-974-7900 x.105 [FX]: 434-974-6898 [E]: beth@htsva.com www.HTSVA.com From: Margaret Maliszewski [mailto:MMaliszewski@albemarle.org] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 5:29 PM To: Beth Robinson Cc: Brent Nelson Subject: FW: La Michoacana sign Beth, Thanks for sending this revision. I've forwarded it to the ARB chairperson for input. I'm still uncomfortable approving the size. I was thinking that the "L" had a graphic quality to it that might balance with the Evolution graphic. With the color change and loss of the red infill in the "L", I think the graphic quality is lost. I will be out of the office until Tuesday, but Brent will be able to forward you any input we get from the ARB while I am away. Thanks. Margaret From: Beth Robinson <beth@htsva.com> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:28 AM To: Margaret Maliszewski <MMaliszewski@albemarle.or Subject: RE: La Michoacana sign Hi Margaret, Attached is a version with the "L" reduced to 51"h. I've also called out all of the other letters heights. My customer decided to change the colors as well. They opted to change "La" to red, "Michoacana" to white, and the tagline to white. Let me know if there are any additional revisions required. Thanks! Beth Robinson I Sales Manager I Hightech Signs HIGNTECH SIGNS [PH]: 434-974-7900 x.105 [FX]: 434-974-6898 [E]: beth@htsva.com www.HTSVA.com From: Margaret Maliszewski [mailto:MMaliszewski@albemarle.org] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 5:43 PM To: Beth Robinson Subject: RE: La Michoacana sign Beth, Thanks for this additional information. I'm having trouble justifying the 62" for the "L" when the Comp Sign Criteria limit letter height to 24". 1 can partially see the "L" as a cross between a letter and a graphic. A taller graphic was approved for Evolution Hearing. That approved graphic height was 4'3". I'd be willing to consider the sign with an "L" that doesn't exceed 4'3". Can you make that revision so we can see if it results in a consistent appearance for the building? If so, it would also be helpful to know which other letters in the sign exceed 24" and by how much. Thanks for continuing to work with us on this. Margaret From: Beth Robinson <beth@htsva.com> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 3:48 PM To: Margaret Maliszewski <MMaliszewski@albemarle.o Cc: maycraft2300@gmail.com Subject: RE: La Michoacana sign Hi Margaret, Attached is the revised drawing for La Michoacana. I will give Stewart a check for $129 to drop off next week. The drawing has been revised to include: - Proposed sign colors - A notation stating that the raceway will be painted to match the wall to which it is attached - Dimensions of the proposed letter heights. - A 3rd page with a photograph of the entire building with the sign shown in it's proposed location. Please let me know if you need any additional information added to the rendering. Thanks! Beth Robinson I Sales Manager I Hightech Signs HIGNTECH SIGNS [PH]: 434-974-7900 x.105 [FX]: 434-974-6898 [E]: beth@htsva.com www.HTSVA.com From: Margaret Maliszewski[mailto:MMaliszewski@albemarle.org] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2018 1:09 PM To: Beth Robinson Cc: maycraft2300@gmail.com Subject: La Michoacana sign Beth, I've attached comments on the la Michoacana sign. Please let me know if you have questions. Thanks. Margaret Margaret Maliszewski, Chief of Planning/Resource Management Albemarle County Department of Community Development 401 McIntire Road Charlottesville, VA 22902 434-296-5832 x3276 mmaliszewski@albemarle.org