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1992-05-14 adjMay 14, 1992 (Adjourned) M.B41, Pg.ll5 (Page 1) · An adjourned meeting of the Board of Supervisors of Albemarle County, Virginia, was held on May 14, 1992, at 7:00 P.M., at the Scottsville Elementa- ry School, Scottsville, Virginia. This meeting was adjourned from May 13, 1992. PRESENT: Mr. David P. Bowerman, Mrs. Charlotte Y. Humphris, Mr. Forrest R. Marshall, Jr. and Mr. Walter F. Perkins. ABSENT: Mr. Edward H. Bain, Jr. and Mr. Charles S. Martin. OFFICERS PRESENT: County Executive, Robert W. Tucker, Jr., Deputy County Executive, Richard E. Huff, II, and County Attorney, George R. St. John. Agenda Item No. 1. The meeting was called to order at 7:00 P.M. by the Chairman, Mr. Bowerman. Agenda Item No. 2. Public Hearing: $cottsville Boundary Line Adjust- ment (Advertised in the Daily Progress on May 12, 1992). Mr. Bowerman introduced himself and then called the meeting to order. He said the Board of Supervisors had come to Scottsville to take comments from citizens on the proposed Scottsville boundary line adjustment. He then asked Mr. Richard Huff, Deputy County Executive, to give an overview on the two proposals being presented tonight° Mr. Huff said that late last summer, the Board appointed two of its members to meet as a committee with members of Scottsville Town Council to talk about the possibilities that might arise from an expansion of the limits of the Town. There were several alternatives from a legal perspective, and what has been arrived at is a consensus among committee members that a simple boundary line adjustment is the option to be considered as opposed to any annexation proceeding whether it be friendly or unfriendly. A boundary line adjustment can be done through agreement between the two governing bodies and a petition to the Circuit Court for approval. It requires advertising, but it does not require review by outside legal counsel. It does not require any approval from three-judge panels, or any other review body. It is simply done by the two governing bodies who have agreed to it~ Mr. Huff said there are two options presented tonight for comment. The map on display shows both Option 4 and Option 5. There are some differences between the two options. SCOTTSViLLE BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT Estimated Dw6111ng Units Estimated Population Total Dwelling Units (Town of Scottsville) Total Population (Town of Scottsville) Additional Dwelling Unit Potential Additional Population Potential Total Dwelling Unit Capacity Total Population Capacity Total Developed Commercial Acreage Total Undeveloped Commercial Acreage Total Commercial Acreage Total Acreage Total Acreage (Town of Scottsville) Total Combined Acreage 66 94 167 238 121' 121' 239* 239* 324** 699** 820 1,768 390 793 987 2,006 22 22 10 10 32 32 457 848 105 105 562 953 *Bureau of the Census, 1990 **Data derived from a build-out scenario utilizing Comprehensive Plan land use designation, Note: Population = total dwelling units x 2.53 (average number of persons per household - 1990 Census) except where indicated by "*" Prepared by Albemarle County Departmem of Planning & Community Development Mr. Huff said the representatives from Scottsville told the Committee there is a need for additional people to help fulfill the obligations required by the State in the way of serving on of various commissions and bodies needed to operate a local government. There would be an increase in population under both options. Mr. Huff then went over the other figures on the chart. Mayor Raymon Thacker spoke next. He said there are a lot of new faces at this meeting, so he proceeded to tell a funny story to get people in the right mood. He said the people in Scottsville are fortunate to live in one of the prettiest locations in the State of Virginia, although Scottsville has had a lot of problems. There were serious floods in 1969, 1972 and i985. There was a serioUs fire in 1976 that burned down a part of the Town. Yet~ the citizens have had the strength to pull themselves back, and have an attractive May 14, 1992 (Adjourned) (Page 2) M.B. 41, Pg. 116 colonial town. He said they do not want it to become like Howardsville or Columbia or other places that have gone down because of the disastrous floods. They want to make it an attractive tourist attraction and colonial town, but, they need something they don't have, more space. They are also very limited as to the number of people in the Town. They need more people within the corporate limits of the Town in order to provide services that are required by the State and the Federal government. There are a number of boards and commissions that have to be appointed, and there are not enough people to fill these vacancies. This is not good. Mayor Thacker said that in expanding, a lot of people fear that their taxes will be added to. Council has agreed that the Town will not levy real estate or personal property taxes. They will lift the downtown licenses and the merchants licenses and the utility taxes and automobile licenses up to the same level that the County now has, which will fill in the spot where they drop off real estate and personal property taxes. This will not add taxes for being in the corporate limits, and it does give a chance to take a part in the welfare of the community and the activities of the government of the communi- ty. It brings government closer to the citizen. At the moment, residents must go into Charlottesville for anything concerning their property. Mayor Thacker said he has served 26 long years as Mayor of the Town of Scottsville. He cannot continue forever. His term is near the end, and the Town needs some new people. The new people who will be brought into the Town can run for Mayor during the next election. A gentleman in the audience asked how much the job pays. Mayor Thacker said it is an unpaid position, he does not even get $1.00 a year. Mr. Bowerman asked for comments from the Board members before starting to take public comments. Mr. Marshall said he and Mr. Bain were the members of the Boundary Line Adjustment Committee. Before he was a Board member, Mr. Peter Way served in this capacity. He did, however, attend those meetings even before he was a Board member. This Board needs to know: 1) 2) 3) Is a boundary line adjustment wanted at all? If so, do you favor Option 4? or Do you prefer Option 5? Mr. Marshall said the Committee came up with these two options after a long series of meetings. These were based on what Town Council said its needs are. Hopefully, one of these options will satisfy the needs of the residents in the area. At this time, Mr. Bowerman asked for comments from those present. First to speak was Mr. Ed Gildersleeve. He questioned the Committee's designation of parcels and asked why they did not extend the boundary line behind Lindsay Dorrier, Dave Catlin, the Baptist Church property, down 737 to Miller Creek, and back around to the Scottsville School. Mr. Marshall said that area was included in one of the first proposals, but County staff recommended that these properties not be included because the area lies in the Totier Creek watershed. Mr. Ed Bain, who was a member of the Committee at the time, agreed with that position. Mr. Gildersleeve said he has heard that this will cost the County $61,000. Mr. Tucker said he believes Mr. Gildersleeve is talking about a revenue sharing agreement similar to the one between the City and the County. He said that idea was never discussed. The main reason is that Town Council is.not just looking for revenue, but for additional voters and people who can be active in the Town Council itself. Mr. Gildersleeve asked who would be eligible to vote under Option 4 and Option 5. Would these be homeowners, or just residents? Mr. Tucker said it would be anyone who is eligible to vote at this moment in the County of Albemarle. Mr. Gildersleeve asked how many of the merchants would be eligible to vote. Mr. Tucker said only those that are residents within that area that would be taken into the Town limits. It is just like anywhere else. Voting is based on residency requirements. Mr. Gildersleeve asked if a poll could be taken to see how many merchants would be eligible to vote. Mr. Tucker said that is not something the Committee looked at. Mr. Gildersleeve said most of the merchants in the Town live outside of the Town limits now and still would under either option. Mr. Tucker said he cannot address the question at this time. Mr. Gildersleeve then brought up the question of trash collection which is mandatory for all dwellings and costs $10.O0/month. He understands this will be increased to $15.00/month on July 1. Mr. Gildersleeve said that will cost him $200.00+ a year, and he wondered why it should be mandatory on all residents of Scottsville. Mayor Thacker said no change in the fee has been discussed by Town Council. They have an ordinance, and that is one of the provisions. Mr. Bowerman said the Town has municipal trash collection which is billed to the residents. Mr. Gildersleeve asked how many part-time and full-time employees will be needed if a boundary line adjustment is made. Mayor Thacker said they will May 14, 1992 (Adjourned) (Page 3) M.B. 41, Pg. 117 definitely need a full-time policeman and continue with one auxiliary police- man. He is not sure about street cleaners. Mr. Gildersleeve asked if the area has been canvassed to see how many new residents would be interested in becoming candidates for office The Mayor said "no". · Mr. Gildersleeve asked if the older members of Town Council would vacate their seats to make way for younger people. Mayor Thacker said he thinks they would be happy to do so if there are qualified people to run for office. Mr. Bowerman suggested keeping the questions to that of a boundary line adjust- ment. He said that although politics plays a role, it does not play a role at this level. A member of the audience suggested that others be allowed to speak. Mr~ Bowerman asked Mr. Gildersleeve if he had finished his questions. Mr. GilderSleeve said it is a public meeting and he understood he could express his opinion at a public meeting. Mr. Bowerman said that is correct. He asked if Mr. Gildersleeve is opposed to either Option 4 or Option 5. Mr. Gilder- sleeve said he is, although he would not be a part of Option 4. Next to speak was Ms. Lindsay Kidd, trustee for Lindsay Herndon Trust which owns fifty percent of the Scottsville Shopping Center. She was present to state opposition to both option 4 and option 5. She said the Shopping center has been in existence since the early 1970s and has struggled each year to survive. The original founders lost the property through bankruptcy and the bank operated it for a few years while trying to find buyers. The Jordans and the Herndons purchased the corporation, however, almost every year capital funds are needed from the owners personal accounts to supplement the operation of the Scottsville Shopping Center in order to provide needed services for the community. Additional levying of taxes and license fees at a time of economic depression could very well be a devastating blow to the survival of the Shopping Center. Additional layers of taxing, licensing and regulations will discourage new business from occupying their vacant spaces. The Shopping Center should not be forced to adhere to rules and regulations for the nurturing and preservation of an historic town. New ideas, new blood, new life are some of the reasons that the shopping center was founded. The Town Council and the people in downtown Scottsville are not willing to reach for the future yet. The Shopping Center will not survive unless they retain the freedom to create their future under the jurisdiction of Albemarle County as at the present. Mr. Marshall asked if Ms. Kidd was opposed to both Option 4 and 5. Ms. Kidd said she is opposed to any change at all. Mr. Harold Pillar asked if there was any discussion of either the advantages or the disadvantages to the people who will be annexed. He thinks asking for help is asking a lot when you drive a town down like the present bureaucracy has done. He does not think the County should bail them out. There have been many businesses to come into Scottsville, and they have been "ridden out". There was a person who wanted to open an arts store next to the service station, but they were told the property was zoned residential. That was just this last year. "If you don't play their game, you don't get anywhere." Mr. Pillar said he likes the Town and appreciates the people, and this is not the answer. These people must bail themselves out. It is nice to have pride, but the time has come for them to say "we have to do it again." He has lived in the county for twenty years, and has seen eight residences, two landmark buildings, and one business eliminated out of the town, and not replaced. There is no encouragement to replace them. Even the businesses in Scottsville are subject to all kinds of regulations, it is unbelievable. He thinks the Council and Mayor need to consider what they are doing. He thinks the answer to bailing them out has to be "no". He is against any kind of annexation until they "straighten out their own ship~ which is sinking." Mr. Bowerman asked if Mr. Pillar~s question is whether the Annexation Committee had any information abou~ the resident's opinion that were included in 4 and 5. Mr. Pillar wondered is they weighed any advantages to the people being annexed. He does not believe they did, he does not see any advantage to it. Mr. Bowerman asked if there was any discussion of the advantages to the people living in 4 and 5. Mr. Marshall said while he was running for election last year, the issue of annexation came up, and he said he would support it if the majority of the people wanted it. Until two days ago, no one had spoken to him in opposition to annexation. What he heard at the public hearings he attended is that the citizens would probably prefer to control their own destiny rather then having it controlled by the Board of Supervisors sitting in Charlottesville twenty miles away. Mr. Marshall said he will remain neutral on the subject. Anybody who is dissatisfied with Town Council has the option to make a change through the election process. Mr. Pillar asked if any disadvantages to the people being annexed was discussed by the committee. Mr. Marshall said "yes,, Mr. Pillar asked Mr° Marshall to list the advantages. Mr. Marshall said these citizens would have control over their own destiny. Mr. Pillar said he is not a member of the government, so has no control over his destiny. May 14, 1992 (Adjourned) (Page 4) M.B. 41, Pg. 118 Mr. Bowerman asked those present to indicate if they are a resident of the Town of Scottsville. Six or seven people raised their hand. Mr. Bowerman then asked how many are residents of property included in either Option 4 or Option 5. About 30 people raised their hand. Mr. Bowerman asked how many people present are in favor of either option. No one indicated affirmatively. A lady in the audience did remark that many people had not yet made a deci- sion. Mr. Gildersleeve asked if Mr. Bowerman was indicating that the merchants are not concerned with this issue. Mr. Bowerman said that was not correct. Ms. Ann Hamner said the merchants, according to a handout she received tonight, will be experiencing a rise in the cost of their business license. She asked how much of an increase Council is talking about. That makes a difference in whether the Town will lose merchants. Mr. Jesse Grove said the merchants will have no increase at all. They will pay on the same basis that they presently pay the County. Ms. Hamner asked about the merchants currently in the town limits. Mr. Grove said their property taxes will be eliminated by the Town, but their merchants license taxes will be raised to the County level. Mayor Thacker said the Town has a 10 percent utility tax and the County has a 20 percent utility tax. The automobile license in the County is $25.00 and the Town's is $15.00. Merchants licenses would rise to the same level as that in the County. Mr. Bowerman asked the amount of a merchants license in the Town. Mayor Thacker said it is about one-half that of the County at the present. Those merchants in the Town will see an increase in that amount, but personal property taxes will be dropped completely in the Town. That should take care of the increase. Mr. Regis Proffit said he lives in the area to be annexed and he feels revenue sharing should be considered rather than a boundary line adjustment. Scottsville needs help, but you create a whole level of government. Scotts- ville government right now cannot govern 900+ people. They will have to add a lot of people, so it looks like revenue sharing would work a lot better. Mr. Haden Anderson said he is not a resident of Scottsville, but lives close. He is for Option 5 for the benefit of the Town. He thinks a lot of people present tonight should ask what they could do for the Town, and no~ ask what the Town can do for them. There is a nice fire department, a nice rescue squad. Although a lot of the people working in these are not residents of Scottsville, Scottsville is the center of activity. Mr. Richard Shaffer said he and his partner own the Chester Bed and Breakfast. They are presently not located within the Town, but he speaks for his partner, Gordon Anderson, and himself. They support the boundary line adjustment because, they are residents of the area abutting the Town so feel they are part of the Town. Scottsville must continue to mature if it is to survive, and this maturity will only come about by bringing additional people into its boundaries. Scottsville allows them to have a small town atmosphere and a different way of life. By permitting them to become an integral part of the Town, the County is not abandoning them. They will still have a vote for CoUnty officials, pay County taxes and remain active to insure the County's survival and prosperity. The only difference is that they will also be able to play an active role in assuring Scottsville's survival and, hopefully, prosperity. He suggested that Option 5 would be the best and gave several examples. He said the fiscal impact on the County will be quite insignifi- cant. However, it is significant to the Town, as to what now constitutes the Town boundaries. Unlike annexation, the Town would not be taking away needed tax base from the County. They are grateful that politics is not part of the boundary adjustment issue, and hope the Board of Supervisors will individually represent their districts of the County, yet see the urgent need and vote for Option 5. Mr. Jesse Grove said he had a letter from the owners of Belhaven, a 46- acre plot in Option 5. He read the letter which indicated support. He al.so read a listing of several residents and businesses who had gone on record in support of Option 5 (High Meadows, Chester Bed and Breakfast, George A. Dansey, Inc., Lumpkin's Restaurant, Coleman's Sales, Swissway, James River Truck and Trailer, W. F. Paulette and Son, Jefferson National Bank, the Paulette property of 200+ acres in Option 5, Riverview has a 22-acre plot in Option 4 but they are in favor of Option 5, Mr. Dupon and his daughter and son who own nine acres, Robert Coleman in Paulette Town, Latham and Linda Jones on Route 712, Joseph and Ramona Jordan, Wayne and Trevelyn Kart, John and Margaret Williamson, and Sidney Pugh of Paulette Town). Mr. Richard Thompson said he had a letter from Ms. Ann Paulette Holden to Mayor Thacker and the Board of Supervisors supporting the fact that the 218 acres which is a significant portion of the northeast section of Option 5, being included. The Paulette family is in favor of Option 5 and in favor of becoming a part of the Town of Scottsville. Mr. Gildersleeve asked for a clarification. He asked where the property is located. Mr. Thompson said it is the property that surrounds Paulette Town, Tax Map 131, Parcel 63 and Parcels 85 through 98. May 14, 1992 (Adjourned) (Page 5) M.B. 41, Pg. 119 Mr. Pillar said that ~articular piece of property already adjoins the boundary of the Town. He thinks that if they want to join the Town, they should be allowed to do so. However, if there is an objection from the next property owner, it should be discussed. Mrs. Ruby Cleveland asked how far on Route 6 West the line goes. Mayor Thacker said it goes past the Shopping Center and crosses over near the fire station. Mrs. Cleveland asked who is in charge of zoning in the Town. She asked if you can build on anything less than two acres in the Town. Mayor Thacker said you can build on less than two acres in the corporate limits of the Town. Mr. Grove said the zoning in effect under either option would be the County's zoning until such time as the Town saw fit to rezone the area. Mr. Marshall said the one thing that is clear in his mind is that the zoning would be under the control of the Town and not the Albemarle County Board of Supervisors. Questions concerning what will happen to the zoning should be directed to Town Council. Mr. Tucker said that temporarily, until zoning changes are made, the people taken into the Town will have the Town's zoning categories, and the County's zoning categories in effect. Mr. St. John said although zoning might temporarily be the existing rules, the instant this annexation takes place, citizens will only go to Town Council to get building permits and zoning clearances, etc. These citizens will not have to get any clearance from the County. They will be totally within the jurisdiction of the Town of Scottsville. What Council is saying is that they have not yet decided what zoning will be in place when the annex- ation takes place; they could possibly make that decision beforehand. In that case, it would automatically come into effect at the time of annexation. That is not necessary and if they don't do that, land will still have the lot sizes and setbacks and so forth as they are in the County, but they will be under the sole jurisdiction of the Town. Mr. Pillar said he thinks the Building Code should also be addressed. Mr. Bowerman agreed. Mr. J. T. Toms said his property is not included under either option, but he would be in favor of 5, but he would still be in 4. Concerning the things Mr. Pillar mentioned, he thinks the properties in historical downtown Scottsville would be considered differently from the newly annexed properties. Maybe there would not be as many restrictions in the other areas. There are some things that it would do to him. It would affect the rate on his garbage collection by going to $19.00/month and make him a citizen of Scottsville. He has lived on the edge of Scottsville for a long time and this would make him feel more a part of it, he might even consider running for mayor. Mr. Bowerman said he thinks Mr. Toms has raised a keen issue which many of the concerns expressed have revolved around. Many of these are political questions which will be answered by the elected officials in the Town of Scottsville, whoever they are. If the boundary line is increased, the voting population will be double what it is now. The questions will be subject to the control of the people in the effected area through voting. Mr. Toms said if he owned a business in Charlottesville, he would no~ have a vote in Charlottesville. The same would be true in Scottsville. If he owned a business in the downtown area now, he would not have a vote because he does not live in the Town. There will be no change in that regard. Mr. Gordon Anderson, Chester Bed and Breakfast, spoke next. He said he has a business and at the present he pays a real estate and a personal property tax to the County. He is in favor of the boundary adjustment because he feels the value of his property is contingent upon what hapPens in the Town. He will continue to pay both taxes to the County since the Town is abolishing both such taxes. He will continue to pay his business license tax to the Town now, but it will be at the same level as that he would have paid the County. They collect a four and one-half percent sales tax from guests, and they will continue to do that. They also collect a two percent transient occupancy tax and he understands there is some question as to what will happen to that° At present, they pay $20.00 a month to a private hauler to collect their trash. In the Town of Scottsville they will pay only $10.00/month. Mr. Gildersleeve alluded to the fact that these fees may go up, and that is true because the State has mandated that extra precautions be put into effect for the handling of solid waste and that is ou~ of the control of local people. Mr. Anderson said he is in favor of annexation and he cannot understand the lady who spoke earlier representing the Lindsay Herndon interests in the shopping center. She mentioned that they will pay additional taxes and fees and that is not correct. They will pay everything at the same level they are presently paying. Mrs. Humphris asked if private residences and businesses pay the same fee for trash collection in the Town. Mr. Anderson said he thinks the businesses have a special impact, and contract their own trash collection. Mrs. Humphris asked if there is a distinction between business and commercial within the Town at the present time. Mr. Anderson said he believes there is a difference based on the size of the facility and the amount of waste generat- ed. Mrs. Humphris said what she wants to understand is that the people who might be brought into the Town might not come under the $10.00/month category. May 14, 1992 (Adjourned) (Page 6) M.B. 41, Pg. 120 Mr. Anderson said it may be that they would have to continue under whatever private service they have. Mr. Proffitt said he would like to know how much Town revenues are now. There is no way they can run a bigger town without it costing a lot more money. Mr. Gildersleeve said he had talked with the Mayor, and he knows that the price of garbage collection is going up. At the present time, a couple of times a year, he takes a load of trash to the landfill and while doing so enjoys the ride. Now, he will have to pay for it whether or not he takes advantageous of the service. Mr. Bowerman said there is a fee charged at the landfill now which was not in effect one and one-half years ago. Mr. Gilder- sleeve said there is no way it can cost him $60.00 every six months at the landfill and that is what he would be paying the Town. Mrs. Cleveland again asked about the boundary line near Route 726. She asked why certain properties are not included, and if they were excluded because of the effect on the watershed. Mr. Tucker said he does not believe there is any significant difference. It was a decision of the committee to draw the line as shown. Mayor Thacker ~aid Belhaven is not in the reservoir watershed, it drains toward the James River, but on the Dorrier side of the road, everything drains toward the watershed. Mr. Bowerman said the Dansey property is also in the watershed. Mr. Anderson said the way the County had zoned things, Route 726 was the dividing line. Then, Route 737 separates Dansey from that whole area. His question is, if you take in the four houses mentioned, where is the line drawn behind those houses. Mr. Bowerman said there needs to be a consistent application of whatever standards are used. An unidentified gentlemen introduced himself as a member of the James River Baptist Church and said they would be happy to be a part of the Town. They have a fourteen acre parcel. Mr. Anderson said one of the considerations of the County Planning staff was that the property on the east side of Route 726 (Williamson, Stone, Chester Bed and Breakfast, Cleveland, Chapman) is zoned Village Residential. To the wes~ of Route 726 (Lindsay Dorrier, Catlett, and the Baptist Church) are zoned Rural Agricultural. Dansey and Paulette are zoned Highway Commer- cial. He thought that might be the reason for setting the boundary at Route 726. Mr. Bowerman said these are questions the Board will want to hear from staff on. Mr. Charles Fulcher was interested in the type of sewage system in the Town and whether it can be extended to the new area. Mr. Bowerman said it probably cannot be extended immediately. Mayor Thacker said the sewage system is under the control of the Albemarle County Service Authority. At the present time there is a good sewage system in the Town, and a new system is being build in the shopping area. He does not know exactly what answer to give about extension of sewage lines, but if the area being discussed is taken into the Town, he believes the Town would apply to the Economic Development Administration for assistance in putting in water and sewage in those areas when it became necessary. Mr. Fulcher also asked about police protection. Mayor Thacker said the Town has one policeman and an auxiliary policeman. This person is not a full- time employee, so that position will need to be changed to full-time. Mr. Anderson asked if the annexed areas will not continue to have County police service in addition to the municipal. Mayor Thacker said "yes". Mr. Gildersleeve asked if anyone in the shopping center will be eligible to vote if this boundary adjustment goes through. Mr. Bowerman said the Board members will remain after the meeting to answer any questions not voiced at this time. He then closed the public portion of the meeting. Mrs. Humphris said everything to this point had been heresay. Hearing it from the citizens makes a difference. She proposed that the Board ask staff to draft a list of the pros and cons of the boundary adjustment from the point of view of the citizens who would be directly effected; a list of pros and cons for the people in the Town of Scottsville now; and, a list of pros and cons for the people of Albemarle County. Mr. Bowerman said he has no objection to the request. Mr. Marshall said this meeting came out differently than what he had thought would happen. He thought everyone was in favor of the boundary adjustment. He asked those present to have their friends either write or call him with their point of view. Mr. Marshall said a lot of the people speaking are his good friends and he does not want to hurt anyone, but he intends to vote with the majority of the people, so it is important that the citizens get their point of view to the Board so he can make that decision on the majority opinion. Mrs. Humphris suggested that any opinions be voiced to all members of the Board since there will be six members voting on this question. Ail May 14, 1992 (Adjourned) M.B. 12! (Page 7) members need to know what everybody is thinking, plus any new information that can be gathered. A gentlemen asked how the Committee ever arrived at an Option 4 and an Option 5. Mr. Tucker said of the Committee members, Mr. Bain felt a smaller area for expansion was favorable. He did not want to move too quickly to a larger area. Mr. Marshall said he felt the same as Mr. Bain, but the Town made the point that they needed the additional people. It's not the revenue so much as people that they need, and they need them so they can have better input to the governing body. Option 5 was the only way to give them the people, so he supported Option 5. He will not say which way he is going to vote until he knows the results of this meeting. An unidentified gentlemen asked if it will not take a lot more money to run this town of 900 people than what they will get from the annexed area. He feels that somebody's taxes will have to be raised. Mr. Marshall said the gentlemen speaking, as a part of the town, will have a ,say so" as to what will be done with his tax dollars if he takes an active part in the politics of the town. The gentlemen said he feels there will be another complete layer of government and it will take more money no matter what he personally says or does. At this time, Mr. Bowerman thanked the people who had attended this meeting. Agenda Item No. 3. Other Matters Not Listed on the Agenda. There were none. Agenda Item No. 4. Adjourn to May 20, 1992, at 3:00 P.M., Room 11, County Office Building. At 8:30 p.m., motion was offered by Mr. Marshall, seconded by Mrs. Humphris, to adjourn this meeting until 3:00 p.m. on May 20, 1992. Roll was called, and the motion carried by the following recorded vote: AYES: Mr. Perkins, Mr. Bowerman, Mrs. Humphris and Mr. Marshall. NAYS: None. ABSENT: Mr. Martin and Mr. Bain. Chairman